Migratory flows show most who left we’re IT engineers, not military specialists, and most of them are back.
It has multiple 250km kills recorded, so I’ll just take the fact that it works and I’m not going to try to compare it to the ancient AIM54. S-400 has done an amazing job. No AD is perfect, but with how quickly it’s been adjusted, and with the datalink capabilities with the A-51, no other AD can even come close to it’s capabilities. I’m being nice.
100% agree.
105mm, not talking 120mm. Obus-G HEAT rounds too. I was also referring to French 7.5mm which was not retired from service until 1990, and is still serving in some capacities to this day.
I don’t have a dog in the fight, I was mentioning how France got screwed by the AUKUS sub deal. I could care less what Europe does.
Yeah but it’s past now, even Famas before being stopped (i’m sad) switched to 30round OTAN mag.
properly the best bullpup military rifle
what about L85A3?
Really loved them, completely recognizable at first glance, I’m really sad that we didn’t relaunch the prod or modernized versions (there were some, but apparently it wasn’t enough worth it to launch the big prod).
SA80 had major problems when it was first adopted and took years to fix its properly the worst but it did get better
Neither UK nor Italy committed to development of new MBTs or next generation jets with France, only Germany has done so (you cannot really disagree on ARH missile requirements… or how many VLS cells a ship has to have).
It’s not like France has never pulled out of projects with UK & Italy either, reminder that Typhoon was originally partly French, who then proceed to pull out because the other 3 nations didn’t want to make it aircraft carrier compatible, they also pulled out of the Boxer project (but fair to them, the UK did so as well later on).
Apart from that the “makes sure to keep its know-how” is pretty hypocritical tbh? Germany has given its all to the development of both MGCS & FCAS, so much so KMW was merged with Nexter, and German research on variable cycle engines (that France has no know-how on ironically) also went to Dassault, not to mention Airbus’ work on stealth was also fully transfered into FCAS. France basically wants to eat the cake and have a cake in this case. Seems like Germany recognised this, and went ahead with a secondary MBT development process spearheaded solely by KMW & Rheinmetall along with support from Spain, Italy & Sweden.
Not saying Germany hasn’t had its fair share of problems in case of international developments, but c’mon, France ain’t a saint by any means (FCAS had a 3 year long delay because Dassault was refusing to share know-how with Airbus, when they’re partners in the project, and Airbus handed over their research…).
FYI, FCAS is fully on track, and it seems like MTU AeroEngines is now in charge of developing the FCAS variable engines, because Safran was basically presenting a Rafale+ engine, which was already inferior to an MLU EJ 200 :)
when i say “you” i was talking in a general way, could’ve said “one gets shafted in a sub deal”, would’ve been the same
Population has been in a decline for decades, and without going too much into politics, let’s just say when a place is not nice to leave in, people tend to no stay.
literally every modern AD has datalink, from Patriot to Samp/T, this is quite old school stuff.
DataLink is fine and all, but it requires reliable radars. russia is being late here. They have problem getting a production-ready AESA radar for example.
We’re just going to agree to disagree here i think
never said france was a saint.
For the engines, i think you are getting confused : MLU is in charge of the cold parts and maintenance, Safran gets the Hot part (yk, the part where most of the high-tech stuff is ?)
The EJ200 was mainly developped by rolls royce, not MTU, so off point
A company refuses to share know-how with a competitor, paint me surprised. This whole operation is a failure from the start, and i’m very doubtful FCAS will go to the end without failing.
What work on stealth are we talking about ? Neuron ? oh wait that’s Dassault
Jokes on you the FREMM class developped with the italians don’t have the same VLS count for each nation, being 16 on the Berghamini class and 32 on the Aquitaine class…
thus I specified the A3 of the Rifle variant
Which is why most of the research on Variable Cycle Engines comes from MTU? M’kay (totally impossible for know-how to be shared, am i rite?).
Tho, I’m not seeing what EJ 200s MLU has to do with the VCE for NGF, but alright.
The EJ200 was mainly developped by rolls royce, not MTU, so off point
EJ 200 was based on a RR XG-40, but is not a carbon copy of it. It was developed by the EuroJet consortium starting 1986.
A company refuses to share know-how with a competitor, paint me surprised. This whole operation is a failure from the start, and i’m very doubtful FCAS will go to the end without failing.
You do realise that this, is admittance of France actively trying killing FCAS by being overly protective of its defence companies? In a project that requires utmost trust from both sides.
Neither country is capable of developing a 6th generation fighter on its own, but Germany already has a back-door via UK into Tempest, whereas if FCAS fails, France will be footing the bill by itself (with I guess practically stolen know-how from Germany). If MGCS fails, France will once again be forced to develop it on their own, while Germany has had a backup plan for at least 5 years now (I guess they saw the writing on the wall).
What work on stealth are we talking about ? Neuron ? oh wait that’s Dassault
Well, seeing as my contact from Airbus confirmed that the stealth coating for NGF is coming from them…
Famas i would say is still better internally they are all using a similar gas system
Also i think it looks cooler
Good. The sooner it dies, the better
Oh boy, seems familiar. Some were already saying the exact same thing when france pulled out of the EF program, look where we are at now. I’d argue Rafale has some better future perspectives, considering it has been more successful export wise.
Airbus is indeed responsible for the “stealth” pilar, which makes this project even more of a joke if you ask me, because they don’t have any experience to back up any claim on it.
wasnt that partialy because germany restricts export like to saudi arabian that were intrested and the rafael was just the second choice?
Oh yeah, germany didnt want to sell them eurofighters anymore after participation in the jemen war
Considering the pure hell that was the 90’s for Russia, with birthrates on the rise, and the economy booming, a population that is back to it’s 1991 levels (RFSFR, not ethnic Russians living in the union) is actually quite impressive. Plenty of people choose to stay, it’s not a backwater country, nor is it a “gas-station masquerading as a country”. If you stick to Western sources, you’ll miss what the rest of the world has to say about itself.
And neither of those AD are anything close to S-400 (S-300 and Patriot are though). None of them can take data from something like the A-51 provides launch a missile from 400km away, and hit a low flying target moving at supersonic speeds. It’s a different game, period.
Probably. No system is perfect. If we judged systems on being perfect, the Patriot would be a disaster comparatively. However, both are actually dangerous weapon systems deserving of one’s respect.
in this particular case yes, but in india, it won with no restrictions, or Greece…
And also, thanks for highlighting why it is a very BAD idea to team up with germans for a defence company…
Good luck I guess.
Oh boy, seems familiar. Some were already saying the exact same thing when france pulled out of the EF program, look where we are at now. I’d argue Rafale has some better future perspectives, considering it has been more successful export wise.
4th generation jet = 6th generation jet.
You’re a joke.
Airbus is indeed responsible for the “stealth” pilar, which makes this project even more of a joke if you ask me, because they don’t have any experience to back up any claim on it.
LOUT, MBB Lampyridae, DASA TDEFS.
Totally impossible for Airbus to build upon DASA’s previous research, lmao. I guess Airbus is simply incapable of developing stealth… I mean, it took Nexter 25 years to catch up to Germany’s APFSDS research… from 1990s, and are already being left behind against with KE 2020 Neo/DM83 getting scheduled for service starting 2025/26, so, shrug ig (the stealth aspects for the EF come from Germany fyi, so saying they’ve got no experience is a flat out lie).
To give a slightly more extreme example, Germany/Hensdolt has managed to produce an AESA radar with a 50% greater T/R module count than what is available to the Rafale, but hey, they’re simply incapable.
(peak ignorance btw).
Tat’s the theory, in practice, a certain country in eastern europe still manages to make its aircraft fly in that so called 400km zone