For the engines, i think you are getting confused : MLU is in charge of the cold parts and maintenance, Safran gets the Hot part (yk, the part where most of the high-tech stuff is ?)
The EJ200 was mainly developped by rolls royce, not MTU, so off point
A company refuses to share know-how with a competitor, paint me surprised. This whole operation is a failure from the start, and i’m very doubtful FCAS will go to the end without failing.
What work on stealth are we talking about ? Neuron ? oh wait that’s Dassault
Jokes on you the FREMM class developped with the italians don’t have the same VLS count for each nation, being 16 on the Berghamini class and 32 on the Aquitaine class…
Which is why most of the research on Variable Cycle Engines comes from MTU? M’kay (totally impossible for know-how to be shared, am i rite?).
Tho, I’m not seeing what EJ 200s MLU has to do with the VCE for NGF, but alright.
The EJ200 was mainly developped by rolls royce, not MTU, so off point
EJ 200 was based on a RR XG-40, but is not a carbon copy of it. It was developed by the EuroJet consortium starting 1986.
A company refuses to share know-how with a competitor, paint me surprised. This whole operation is a failure from the start, and i’m very doubtful FCAS will go to the end without failing.
You do realise that this, is admittance of France actively trying killing FCAS by being overly protective of its defence companies? In a project that requires utmost trust from both sides.
Neither country is capable of developing a 6th generation fighter on its own, but Germany already has a back-door via UK into Tempest, whereas if FCAS fails, France will be footing the bill by itself (with I guess practically stolen know-how from Germany). If MGCS fails, France will once again be forced to develop it on their own, while Germany has had a backup plan for at least 5 years now (I guess they saw the writing on the wall).
What work on stealth are we talking about ? Neuron ? oh wait that’s Dassault
Well, seeing as my contact from Airbus confirmed that the stealth coating for NGF is coming from them…
Oh boy, seems familiar. Some were already saying the exact same thing when france pulled out of the EF program, look where we are at now. I’d argue Rafale has some better future perspectives, considering it has been more successful export wise.
Airbus is indeed responsible for the “stealth” pilar, which makes this project even more of a joke if you ask me, because they don’t have any experience to back up any claim on it.
Considering the pure hell that was the 90’s for Russia, with birthrates on the rise, and the economy booming, a population that is back to it’s 1991 levels (RFSFR, not ethnic Russians living in the union) is actually quite impressive. Plenty of people choose to stay, it’s not a backwater country, nor is it a “gas-station masquerading as a country”. If you stick to Western sources, you’ll miss what the rest of the world has to say about itself.
And neither of those AD are anything close to S-400 (S-300 and Patriot are though). None of them can take data from something like the A-51 provides launch a missile from 400km away, and hit a low flying target moving at supersonic speeds. It’s a different game, period.
Probably. No system is perfect. If we judged systems on being perfect, the Patriot would be a disaster comparatively. However, both are actually dangerous weapon systems deserving of one’s respect.
in this particular case yes, but in india, it won with no restrictions, or Greece…
And also, thanks for highlighting why it is a very BAD idea to team up with germans for a defence company…
Oh boy, seems familiar. Some were already saying the exact same thing when france pulled out of the EF program, look where we are at now. I’d argue Rafale has some better future perspectives, considering it has been more successful export wise.
4th generation jet = 6th generation jet.
You’re a joke.
Airbus is indeed responsible for the “stealth” pilar, which makes this project even more of a joke if you ask me, because they don’t have any experience to back up any claim on it.
LOUT, MBB Lampyridae, DASA TDEFS.
Totally impossible for Airbus to build upon DASA’s previous research, lmao. I guess Airbus is simply incapable of developing stealth… I mean, it took Nexter 25 years to catch up to Germany’s APFSDS research… from 1990s, and are already being left behind against with KE 2020 Neo/DM83 getting scheduled for service starting 2025/26, so, shrug ig (the stealth aspects for the EF come from Germany fyi, so saying they’ve got no experience is a flat out lie).
To give a slightly more extreme example, Germany/Hensdolt has managed to produce an AESA radar with a 50% greater T/R module count than what is available to the Rafale, but hey, they’re simply incapable.
Are we comparing models to a full flying drone here ? I’m not sure if i’m understanding this correctly.
They managed to put 1.5x the amount of T/R module on a radar with a 70cm diameter radar against 60cm for the RBE2, while being in 2023 while the RBE2 AESA came inline in 2012 ? Am i supposed to be impressed ? Almost as late as the russians
I’m just saying, at the time it seemed unconceivable that france would go alone.
As for going in partnership, if you are unorganized, build one wing in one country, the other wing in an other, and your logistics are a mess, you may end up paying more while still being more to participate in the project (wink wink again eurofighter)
Yep. The fact that they can be shot down, doing what makes it almost impossible to shootdown is very impressive. Speculation recently has suggested this is why they’re now being forward deployed to the contact line because they need a short time to target to survive.
What does that have with know-how on stealth coatings?
Germany’s EADS/DASA (which became Airbus) was also the primary developer of Eurofighter’s RAM coating… so once again, stating they have no experience is a flat out lie.
They managed to put 1.5x the amount of T/R module on a radar with a 70cm diameter radar against 60cm for the RBE2, while being in 2023 while the RBE2 AESA came inline in 2012 ? Am i supposed to be impressed ?
ECRS is a much earlier development yanno, almost as if Germany (and UK with their Mk.2 radar) took their time to mature them into pieces of tech that will carry their jets into the future (seeing as Mk.2 will also be a basis for Tempest’s radar, and Mk.1 will undergo an MLU by 2030s to sort-of-ish Mk.2 status).
Delivery dates also got nothing to do with it, simply put, they created a radar that outperforms what is available to the Rafale.
I’m just saying, at the time it seemed unconceivable that france would go alone.
Okay? My point still stands. Developing a 4th generation aircraft is nowhere near as troublesome as developing a 6th generation aircraft (have you noticed that all 6th gen projects, that aren’t American, are being done via an international collab?).
and by this time, the RBE2 will already be upgraded.
6th gen isn’t even really defined yet. But much of it has to do with remote carrier connection and networking. Rafale F5 is already planned to take such things into account. What generation does it belong to ? not 6th, it lack the 5th characteristics still, but not really 4th either. This generation thingy is quite pointless imo.
As for FCAS, future will tell if we can do it alone or not, or maybe with more reliable partners, so discussing it further is quite pointless at this point
