you quoted me literaly saying ignoring recent embarogos, and i do not care about ships or ground here or general arms exporter, fact is russia was until recently the biggest air developer together with us and china. and for the next generation in the games those 3 nations will shine the most.
In this regard france is not a mayor air developer for aircraft
I still fail to see how russia is a major air developer.
Their most recent achievements are the SU57 (10 serial model that may or may not be better than 4th gen aircraft), and SU75, which is not an achievement, because it is actually still only on power points or wooden mockups at best.
As for US and China, those 2 seems to be heading straight for Cold War 2 Electric Boogaloo, so it’s no wonder they’ll be the major 2 for the next decades.
So basically, there’ll be US and China, and the rest. The rest includes Russia, France and others
Meteor MLU is also in the works and planned to enter service with Rafale F.5
that’s fresh news to me
Seems Like the RBE2 AESA is getting upgraded as well…
It’s in the twenties now, numbers are pretty hush-hush. A-50/A-51 datalink with S400 systems and new electronic warfare has expanded the PVO style of aerial warfare for Russia. MiG-31+R-37M2 has been big too. If it’s not crazy BVR, frontline aviation doesn’t have to be 5th gen to deploy ordinance. With the new UPMK kits being available on the Su-34 now, everything else can be used as multirole.
Russia has much more of an air development wing at this point than half of the nations of Europe. The old OKB’s are still running, designs are being cranked out constantly, new stuff is being developed. When Russia decides to adopt something new, it will be serially produced at higher levels than anywhere on earth but China.
What you will see in the Russian aerial tech trees is similar, albeit for different reasons, to that of the US/Western ground trees (anti-terrorism, LIC focus dominating development and procurement for almost 20 years). 1991 destroyed almost every active aeronautic project in Russia. Things didn’t really come back online until 2000. From 2004 and beyond, Russia is back up to it’s old pace.
So from MiG-29 to 29SMT, for example, where there might have been something else, it will likely not exist or be difficult to balance. Because development =/= production, there’s actually a ton of low production/prototype planes/vehicles that Russia can continue to fill it’s tree with as well.
It really will remain US/USSR, (imo) France, China, everybody else. France constantly decides to just do whatever it wants, teasing Europe to join the project (to make it cheaper), but they rarely just go along with the rest of Europe. Hence their industry has mostly stuck around. China basically just has J-10, J-17A (Pakistani export plane), J-11/15/16 (Flanker copies and configurations), and Su-30MKK.
Ha yes, always France fault, all other European country are so much 100% clear and with no ulterior motives or backstabbing
Asked about the report, Faury told reporters he saw no signs of Germany abandoning FCAS/SCAF, adding “on the ground we see the exact opposite.”
However, speaking after announcing quarterly earnings, he strongly criticised Germany over a decision to block exports of current-generation Eurofighter jets to Saudi Arabia.
“It’s damaging for the Eurofighter, but it’s also damaging for the reputation of Germany as an export country,” Faury said.
“That’s creating a very difficult situation with the partner countries of the Eurofighter”. The fighter entered service in 2003 and is built by Germany, Italy, Britain and Spain.
Lol. It’s smart. I’d do the same thing if I were them. It’s just annoying when they make calibers that are ALMOST the same as everyone else’s, or cannons that are very similar but NOT compatible.
Logistics for NATO must be a nightmare, but some dude is sitting back in some cafe choking down a jambon-beurre all cozy thanks to some check from Dassault or some other big French name, lmao.
You should be happy they are so protective of their industry. As a French main (assuming you are one), that means more stuff should be released for your trees.
Also, I wasn’t talking about Europe not having ulterior motives or being backstabbing. That’s Europe at it’s finest lol. Hell, even the US does it with that whole Australian submarine deal, lol.
lots of engieneers are fleeing russia, and you can’t really blame them tbh.
R37M is a glorified AIM54 and the meteor basically does the same thing on a much lighter airframe.
S400 has a kinda mixed track record so far, and i’m being nice.
Don’t get me wrong, russia won’t disappear of the big players in terms of weaponry, but let’s just say comparing them to China or the US is optimistic (once again, i’m being nice).
As for the numerous prototypes, we can agree on that one. It will stay relevent up to the 2010’s era.
As for France and shared projects, they usually work pretty well with italians and the UK, but they always fail with germany. The UK could also say a thing or two about germany regarding a certain typhoon deal. Imo FCAS and MGCS are doomed to fail anyway, france may or may not take the blame for the project failure, who cares, so long as it gets its own aircraft it can buy or sell to whoever it pleases…
France just makes sure to keep its know how and business, it’s fair game.
I don’t get it. Afaik at least for Leclerc they can use NATO round, and the caliber is higher than some. In fact in WT Leclercs got the longest NATO caliber for a while before the 2A6? All other were at 44.
And yep, i have no fear for French industry at all.
guns are standard NATO tho ?
Rafale is also the only non US plane rated for landing on US carriers.
Same for f-18 which can land on Charles de Gaulle, i’m not sure where you are trying to go here.
As for “backstabbing” welcome to the business world i guess, you get shafted on a sub deal, i shaft you on some aircraft carrier capable planes…
Harrier any one i know not really in service anymore
that’s barrel length tho, and afaik it doesn’t matter much on the ammuniton being carried (the pressure in the chamber must be compatible but that’s it)
All calibers for NATO MBTs are 120
yes, that’s true. F-35 too i’d assume. I didn’t include them cause they are VTOL, but that is a fair point
yeah the f35b with vtol for the marines and the f35c for the navy but the British just use the f35b
not all a combatable at this time
except for the brit’s L30A1, i think all gun can fire a standard 120 APFSDS, be it a RH L/44, L/55, or CN120/26.
But maybe i’m missing something ? not expert on this subject to be honest
our current is rifled and is two piece but with the challenger 3 it will be smoothbore and use nato standard
But still 2stage ammo or you gonna come in the club of one stage ? :p
afaik it’s going to be rheinmetall gun, so i’d assume they’ll fire DM53/63/73 (I lost count at this point), so one stage i think
yeah one stage but by the time its fully out it might use a newer round