fair enough they are good multirole that doesn’t break the bank (f35)
TBH they break the bank when buying them, Rafale is not a miraculous plane, it’s good but it comes with a price. The maintenance however is quite cheap
also the eurofighter isn’t really multirole like the rafale
Sure.
6th gen isn’t even really defined yet. But much of it has to do with remote carrier connection and networking. Rafale F5 is already planned to take such things into account. What generation does it belong to ?
So does Eurofighter Tranche 5, but that still makes them 4th++ gen (or maybe 4th +++), since they lack full stealth coating of 5th generation (one of the defining features). Neither will receive VCE either.
As for FCAS, future will tell if we can do it alone or not, or maybe with more reliable partners, so discussing it further is quite pointless at this point
If you believe India is more reliable, you’ve got my blessing and go on your merry way.
Ok Airbus has experience in stealth coating, so yes i can admit i was wrong on that one
Still, Dassault also has experience in stealth coating and stealth shaping (a bit of rafale and Neuron), which means making airbus manager on this pillar is still a bad decision imo
Nice top cover with the F-8 :)
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Uhhh? Eurofighter has been multi-role since Tranche 2. Later developments expand on its multi-role capabilites more.
Did i mention India ?
Yanno, if we think like this… why was Nexter even allowed to develop the cannon for MGCS instead of being flat out denied the opportunity?
EADS/DASA/Airbus obviously has the necessary know-how & experience, considering they’ve been put in charge of this development aspect. It’s almost as if, shocking I know, the project has a primary developer, and a secondary developer for technologies (!!!), where both share their research, evaluate it and mature it together. In this case Airbus was judged to be ahead, same with the VCE for the NGF… but Dassault is still the primary developer. Why is it such a foreign concept?
If only your battles in last week wasn’t hidden. ;)
KNDS was supposed to develop the tank entirely. That was the original deal. KMW was in charge of the hull, Nexter the turret. Then Rheinmetall went in uninvited (which i can understand from their POV, it’s fair game after all)
IMO france should also get out of MGCS and sort of focus on light tanks and artillery. That being said, ASCALON has some new tech involved (like telescoped ammunition). While Rh130 is an upscaled Rh120. It’s more reliable and proven, but maybe not as future proof.
In both programs, both countries should go their own way, there’s simply too much redundancy.
what does VCE stand for ?
Rheinmetall was invited by KMW as a counterweight for France attempting to pull Italy into the project… overall both sides were attempting to gain more levarage, Germany won.
Rheinmetall was also on its way to straight up buying KNDS, however France threatened to cancel the project if that happened :^)
That being said, ASCALON has some new tech involved (like telescoped ammunition). While Rh130 is an upscaled Rh120. It’s more reliable and proven, but maybe not as future proof.
Telescoped munitions aren’t new technology by any means (remember HSTV-L?). FYI, Rh 130 has already reached energy levels beyond ASCALON (14MJ on target vs 8MJ on target…, in fact Rh 120L/55A1 w/DM83 will have a much larger output as far as we’re concerned, scratch that, DM63 has a larget on target output) and has a lot more of room left for growth. Like, not trying to sound condenscending here or anything, but ASCALON’s literaly only selling point is… the fact it weights about as much as Rh 130mm, and that’s it.
what does VCE stand for ?
Variable Cycle Engine.
Your welcome to go find me if you want. I play most days, as we all do :)
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I’m still proud of my two engagements with you.
One was your enemy, and I was very much addicted to the Sea Vixen at that time.
And then our twin F3 match tho I still haven’t spaded that.
I do enjoy the F.3 and Italian ADV a lot. Great aircraft.
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Which is even funnier when you consider france was generous enough to let germany invite spain to the FCAS.
France has that kind of cool mechanism where it can block a defence company from being bought by an other state if it doesn’t feel like it.
And that the ammo takes up less space. Also who said Ascalon had no room for growth ?
Anyhow, i hope both projects are stopped, it got too toxic over time.
yeah no idea why they even attempted it once again, when it we already had the results of so many other projects, french doctrine and style just is to eccentric in some cases
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To be perfectly honest, seeing as France is always trying to “bring more to Europe” in terms of military co-operation, the total reluctance to merge your defence industries into one is rather counter-productive…
I mean, it worked out fine with Airbus that was a merger of DASA and Aérospatiale-Matra, why wouldn’t it work here?
And that the ammo takes up less space. Also who said Ascalon had no room for growth ?
Sure. Of course ASCALON has room for growth, but it’s strating out much weaker (~7MJ on target at combat distance is less than Rh L/55A1 mod which can output ~10MJ+ on target).
Anyhow, i hope both projects are stopped, it got too toxic over time.
You’re very much out of lack, FCAS/NGF are going strong :)))
Yeah… Tell that to Germany with their new F-35…