Don’t make me find my history of Dassault and French aviation history book when I get home.
Honestly, you can forget this F-8P.
With all the French jet available now in that era/br range, we don’t need something like that.
Next jet i hope right now is Mirage 4000, at best before fox3. Then for waiting the times the first Rafales gonna be ready for the game, more advanced 2000s (and a GOOD premium one ! Because for now the choices from Gaijin for French jet premium always go toward the worst choice possible…)
Last year dev add 3 Mirage F1 in rank 7 & Mirage 2000C, and this year add 2 Mirage 2000 but gajin not add new fighter aircraft from french navy in researchable tech tree after F-8E (FN) for 2 years
I might expect gajin consider new fighter aircraft toptier rank 8 from french navy this year or Q1 2024 but unsure could add F-8P or Rafale M LF.1
Rafale M LF.1 and Rafale C & M F1 armed active radar homing BVRAAM MICA EM but guidance IR limited Magic II only
Rafale C F1 and Rafale M F1 carries 6x Magic II & 6x MICA EM except Rafale M LF.1 limited to (2x) Matra Magic II and (4x) MICA EM
Well the problem is the way they have made French line, because they recently added a French navy plane, the Super Etendard.
And saddly, Rafales (as well as EF) are confirmed not for a while
properly another year
If the 4++ generation aircraft is released, will Russian radar still have an advantage?
US and china ? nope probably not
Russia tho ? I’d argue yes (france is now 2nd arms exporter before russia, not really an achievement to be proud of imo, but it still says a thing or 2 about each nations’s industries…)
And definitely more than germany now anyways.
If we are talking development for aircrafts :
- Rafale being upgraded (F4, F5)
- Stealth Drone (Neuron)
- FCAS
for ships :
- FDI class frigate
- Suffren SSN
- SNLE 3G SSBN
- F21 torpedo
Ground :
- EBRC Jaguar
- Caesar SPG being upgraded
- MGCS / EMBT, wherever that goes
Missiles ?
- FMAN/FMC (shared with the brits)
- MICA NG (AESA radar and/or IR)
- Aquila
- Akeron MP/LP ATGM
the “big three” notion only refers to the number of player each nation has, not what potential additions each nation could get. If we go that way, germany doesn’t have its place in the big 3s anymore (except for ground, i can give you that)
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Even ground i bet we can have more things. x)
i’d argue france is specialized in wheeled vehicules. Light tanks are always quite decent.
Tracked vehicules tho… meh.
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Actually Super Etendard modernise standard 3 (SEM 3) new french navy aircraft but it’s strike aircraft, new fighter aircraft from french navy after F-8E (FN) maybe F-8P but can’t equivalent some 3rd generation fighter aircraft 10.7 ~ 11.3 BR
I quite believe that new Multirole strike aircraft toptier rank 8 after Mirage 2000D-R1 might be Mirage 2000D-R2 or R2.2
you quoted me literaly saying ignoring recent embarogos, and i do not care about ships or ground here or general arms exporter, fact is russia was until recently the biggest air developer together with us and china. and for the next generation in the games those 3 nations will shine the most.
In this regard france is not a mayor air developer for aircraft
I still fail to see how russia is a major air developer.
Their most recent achievements are the SU57 (10 serial model that may or may not be better than 4th gen aircraft), and SU75, which is not an achievement, because it is actually still only on power points or wooden mockups at best.
As for US and China, those 2 seems to be heading straight for Cold War 2 Electric Boogaloo, so it’s no wonder they’ll be the major 2 for the next decades.
So basically, there’ll be US and China, and the rest. The rest includes Russia, France and others
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Meteor MLU is also in the works and planned to enter service with Rafale F.5
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that’s fresh news to me
Seems Like the RBE2 AESA is getting upgraded as well…
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It’s in the twenties now, numbers are pretty hush-hush. A-50/A-51 datalink with S400 systems and new electronic warfare has expanded the PVO style of aerial warfare for Russia. MiG-31+R-37M2 has been big too. If it’s not crazy BVR, frontline aviation doesn’t have to be 5th gen to deploy ordinance. With the new UPMK kits being available on the Su-34 now, everything else can be used as multirole.
Russia has much more of an air development wing at this point than half of the nations of Europe. The old OKB’s are still running, designs are being cranked out constantly, new stuff is being developed. When Russia decides to adopt something new, it will be serially produced at higher levels than anywhere on earth but China.
What you will see in the Russian aerial tech trees is similar, albeit for different reasons, to that of the US/Western ground trees (anti-terrorism, LIC focus dominating development and procurement for almost 20 years). 1991 destroyed almost every active aeronautic project in Russia. Things didn’t really come back online until 2000. From 2004 and beyond, Russia is back up to it’s old pace.
So from MiG-29 to 29SMT, for example, where there might have been something else, it will likely not exist or be difficult to balance. Because development =/= production, there’s actually a ton of low production/prototype planes/vehicles that Russia can continue to fill it’s tree with as well.
It really will remain US/USSR, (imo) France, China, everybody else. France constantly decides to just do whatever it wants, teasing Europe to join the project (to make it cheaper), but they rarely just go along with the rest of Europe. Hence their industry has mostly stuck around. China basically just has J-10, J-17A (Pakistani export plane), J-11/15/16 (Flanker copies and configurations), and Su-30MKK.
Ha yes, always France fault, all other European country are so much 100% clear and with no ulterior motives or backstabbing
Asked about the report, Faury told reporters he saw no signs of Germany abandoning FCAS/SCAF, adding “on the ground we see the exact opposite.”
However, speaking after announcing quarterly earnings, he strongly criticised Germany over a decision to block exports of current-generation Eurofighter jets to Saudi Arabia.
“It’s damaging for the Eurofighter, but it’s also damaging for the reputation of Germany as an export country,” Faury said.
“That’s creating a very difficult situation with the partner countries of the Eurofighter”. The fighter entered service in 2003 and is built by Germany, Italy, Britain and Spain.
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Lol. It’s smart. I’d do the same thing if I were them. It’s just annoying when they make calibers that are ALMOST the same as everyone else’s, or cannons that are very similar but NOT compatible.
Logistics for NATO must be a nightmare, but some dude is sitting back in some cafe choking down a jambon-beurre all cozy thanks to some check from Dassault or some other big French name, lmao.
You should be happy they are so protective of their industry. As a French main (assuming you are one), that means more stuff should be released for your trees.
Also, I wasn’t talking about Europe not having ulterior motives or being backstabbing. That’s Europe at it’s finest lol. Hell, even the US does it with that whole Australian submarine deal, lol.
lots of engieneers are fleeing russia, and you can’t really blame them tbh.
R37M is a glorified AIM54 and the meteor basically does the same thing on a much lighter airframe.
S400 has a kinda mixed track record so far, and i’m being nice.
Don’t get me wrong, russia won’t disappear of the big players in terms of weaponry, but let’s just say comparing them to China or the US is optimistic (once again, i’m being nice).
As for the numerous prototypes, we can agree on that one. It will stay relevent up to the 2010’s era.
As for France and shared projects, they usually work pretty well with italians and the UK, but they always fail with germany. The UK could also say a thing or two about germany regarding a certain typhoon deal. Imo FCAS and MGCS are doomed to fail anyway, france may or may not take the blame for the project failure, who cares, so long as it gets its own aircraft it can buy or sell to whoever it pleases…
France just makes sure to keep its know how and business, it’s fair game.
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I don’t get it. Afaik at least for Leclerc they can use NATO round, and the caliber is higher than some. In fact in WT Leclercs got the longest NATO caliber for a while before the 2A6? All other were at 44.
And yep, i have no fear for French industry at all.
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