man french people realy are bad sometimes geez, nobody will name france as a mayor air developer or look for planes in that tree, well thats that from me
Modern jets are extremely expensive to develop. That’s why there’s so many joint projects.
Russia can no longer have meaningful development since it doesn’t have the scale of the USSR and are running with the licenses they inherited. The U.S and China are the only other stand outs for being able to develop multiple aircraft on their own.
France being able to develop aircraft at all on our own is a major achievement. Where most other European countries are just buying domestic licenses for the F-35. The Eurofighter meanwhile looks to be aging out because of limitations of the original operational range.
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yes, but for the coming war thudner time RU specialy is only going to get their real juicy stuff now as well
i wont deny that either, but that doesnt put them on the same scale as RU/US/China
thats not realy the case, they are still getting further developed /upgraded, like currently they are getting a way better new radar system
You can’t upgrade an aircraft outside it’s structual limits. If the airframe doesn’t have the ability to carry more fuel or bigger armament (in terms of size or weigt) there is no possibility to upgrade it without redesigning the aircraft from ground up. A radar system only gets you so far
i just showed that it is not necesarily aging out, of course there it is FACS system that will replace it at one point, but it will replace rafaeles as well
It might. Currently the Rafale is still experiencing upgrade all around including the FCS. It’s not really the point of aging out but more of a shorter upgrade period until replacement is needed
yes and the same is happening for the eurofighter
Again it’s more about which one falls out of upgradability first. Rafale so far is still looking well while Eurofighter starts to drop off
i dont understand your point their, that still doesnt make france on par with US, russia or china
I’m aware that the Eurofighter is very similar to the Rafale, but operationally it’s not a multi-role. It’s an interceptor. It’s shortcomings need to be picked up by the F-35.
Russia as well, the R-77 is equal to the AIM-120A while they’re completely out of luck until Su-57 with the R-77M. In terms of capabilities the Rafale and Eurofighter are very similar to the Su-57 as well. Otherwise it’s just a bunch of one off prototypes that aren’t very different from each other.
It also depends on how Escargot models PESA versus AESA radar because Russia used PESA for the longest time and are just starting to switch over.
That’s more about their overall size of nation. You can’t spend money where there isn’t enough. If you’d scale France up in their budget to RU/US then it’d look a lot different. Some french prototypes (specifically the Mirage G) had it’s testing documents bought by the US to create a competitor of the F-14 called the V-507 Vagabond
maybe, but again it isnt reality fact is air devolpment is the biggest in US/ RU /China, when a new player asks what the best air trees are overall and future, nobody will name france, always US or russia first
Keep in mind Rafale was one of the only few aircraft that managed to take down an F-22 in dog fight training
Just because France didn’t have the spendings to get through with all their vehicles they are still very good and potent military developers and export
still doesnt change anything i said
How much do you know about Frances history in developing aircraft? As soon as Gaijin starts adding failed prototypes to other nations (Yak 141 already being a failed aircraft that was added in a “how it would’ve entered service” variant) France would get a lot of more modern aircraft as well. The game itself doesn’t represent military capabilily too well with how inaccurate most modern vehicles are as they’re made from guessing in many points.
f22 is the american version of the t14. Completely overhyped by shills to the point people think it’s something undefeatable
Jesus the french are coping hard today. Let me say it again this doesnt make france a major air developer in this age, they dont have multiple aircraft projects in the likes of US/RU/China. Nobody recommends france as an air tree. And the french aircraft arent “iconic” in the way US or Russian aircraft are either.
It doesnt matter either how much bigger the countries are, as a result they have way bigger funds and production yes and that makes them the mayor players not france
As to what? Rafale is one of the most sucessful aircraft of the modern days. Just because the US has multiple aircraft that can do one specific job better than the other doesn’t mean the aircraft is better than another nation ones. Dassault is a very big one with M2K-5 and Rafale being exported to many nations and in larger numbers than most US ones as they’re kept secret. Just because people don’t know about the nation as much doesn’t mean it’s smaller or less capable than others. The US is most know because well english is a widely spoken language and so most sources and articles come from there
France as an air icon is 2nd to the U.S and Russia. The Rafale is one of the most exported vehicles that competes with the F-35. Just as the Mirage 2000 competed with the F-16.
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Sure the US has high K/Ds in their fancy aircraft but against what? MiG 21s? MiG 23s? Upgraded F-4s?