How so? Cause last time i checked Tor-M1 only had missiles that has 12km range and radar was basically inferior to Pantsir in every category not to mention Tor-M1gives lock and launch warning while Pantsir doesnt give any hints unless you’re using top tier helicopters. Lets not forget Pantsir also does have 30mm’s that can effectively shred any air unit in close range while Tor-M1 is helpless in those kind of scenarios.
İ killed countless planes from 14-17km in my Pantsir, i dont think this reply represent the truth about Pantsir’s capabilites.
Pssst, you have flatted russian russian armor and no era, maybe it’s time to start using those “useless” HEAT rounds and look new soviet space program called sputnik292
Depends which CV90 you’re talking about as they got spall liners now but they still tend to be 1 shot in the front
Personally I don’t have the Abrams or the Leo2A5 yet but my friends who do have it still gets killed in the front
2A4 is a lost cause, Strv122 is better off with the increased armor but it’s safer to pull back and find a better shot instead of getting shot around the breech if they are aiming at ya
I rather use a IFV myself if i have to fight a 2S38 since it’s just much safer even without any armor
At the risk of repeating myself: ‘‘Maybe on paper, but not in practice’’.
2S38’s don’t frontally pen me before I one-tap them.
Checking the 2A4 in armour analysis, the 2S38 can’t do anything at average combat distances but shoot the gun barrel.
Just because you didnt experienced doesnt mean it will not happen, my Abrams got constantly penetrated on turret ring by 2S38.
İt works 50-60 percent of time which is more then enough.
Did you check the lower frontal hull armor or you just skipped it compeletly? Cause if i remember correctly 2A4’s lower frontal plate wasnt that armored.
Also define average combat distance please cause last time i checked most of the maps were CQC which negates that distance advantage against 2S38 in the first place.
LFP is barely penetrable at as little as 600m distance, and it doesn’t produce any spalling. You can penetrate the LFP 1cm away from the driver and he takes no damage.
It then ricochets off of the hull floor and kills the engine, that’s about it.
It for sure doesn’t kill the gunner or commander, so the 2A4 can easily kill the 2S38 with a return shot.
None of this really matters too much because in reality the 2S38 just spams the front of your tank dealing no damage.
Why would I give the 2S38 the time to slowly destroy my gun barrel, tracks and then aim for weakspots or flank me?
You’re not making any sense here, you’re acting as though I’m just supposed to sit there and not do anything the moment a 2S38 shoots at me.
Here’s a typical match against 2S38’s:
At the start it’s a simple case of my one-tapping one whilst their shot does nothing, at 17 seconds a 2S38 fires around 5 shots into a Leopard 2 and fails to kill it, then I once again one-tap it from the front without even aiming properly.
33Gs sustained out to 12km.
Unlike Pantsir’s <30Gs sustained out to 12km, and Pantsir’s missile drops <18Gs after 12km.
“I killed non-maneuvering planes cause they didn’t know how to play CAS.”
Yeah, everyone does.
Just cause we kill non-maneuvering planes out to 15km doesn’t make Pantsir good, it just makes the CAS pilot not good.
Just simply say no to the 2S38 - they are not allowed to barrel and track you if you don’t give them consent, apparently. Make sure to turn on cruise control so you’re never a sitting duck.
Please scroll up and read context, I already explained this in-depth further up.
I never said it takes 17 seconds, I said the relevant encounter happened AT 17 seconds in the video, please take the time to read replies properly.
My K/D ratio against 2S38’s has to be around 10 - 1, so this is hardly a cherry-picked example, I consistently farm these machines due to the massive imbalance between the ease with which I can one-shot them, whereas they need perfect aim to deal any damage to me in return.
