It is better than the phoenix, you can’t counter that no matter how you spin it. Too strong for 12.7. I have more tier 8 jets than you with better results too so you cant insult my experience.
Yes I am, I even said 6km to give some leeway, I can do it even sooner if Im not flying at above mach. Cant tell you how many times I avoid them at very short ranges because my radar didn’t pick anything and then having to notch last second and sometimes killing the enemy instead if I have a good HOBS missile.
Thats why I fear the aim9M more in those situations because while notching I am a prime target for one. It’s very hard to flare those from the side, especially if you get slow in your aggressive notch.
You could also say that every missile in the game is criminally easy to avoid, but that doesn’t mean that they arent good.
You can avoid an aim120 in the exact same way you do a fakour, but with the fakour you need to react faster when they were fired at range, while at short range its the other way around. And while you can sometimes multipath an aim120, you can’t (often) with a fakour.
So if its a super aim54, then we both agree it should be uptiered, right? RIGHT???
Those planes don’t have the ability to force most of the enemy team to go defensive (and thus lose positional advantage)
Against noobs, even the gun will suffice. I don’t trust the 7F past 8km against anyone that tries to defend itself. If I have a 10km shoot against a defending target, the 27R is more reliable ALWAYS.
The question was about flight models though. Obviously, the F-14 has a niche (and overhyped) thing it can do that those can’t.
Tomcat would lose to the M2K and F-16 in a dogfight. Mig-29 is very questionable since it punishes mistakes a lot.
In the end, Those planes can’t do what tomcat can do. Tomcat can’t do what those planes can do. There’s a tradeoff.
sure it’s better and ofc it should go up my argument was always it would suffer unless it got buffed with r73 and 6 fakours, and you don’t have the missile so your opinion on it is meaningless spin that all you want lol. And why can’t you notch or chaff the fakour it’s literally an aim54 seeker it’s incredibly easy(aim120 is more difficult), and you are NOT dodging an aim120 under 4 miles dude, unless they fire at you literally no change of hitting
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Tomcat in guns only can stall the mirage in the 2C without being forced into the 1C, but a mig29 can force the 1C by countering 2C in verticals. The F-16 will just stomp it, of course. Disclaimer: I only found 1 competent dueler among a dozen that could reliably kill me with the mig29 while I fly the f14. This is assuming both players are very good.
Now in a real match the mirage is the most dangerous as long as it has a magic 2.
The IRIAF F14 is just a very potent support fighter that works very well and can still fulfill its role in full uptiers just fine since it still easily outranges every modern fox3. By pushing everyone defensive your team will start on a massive positional advantage to snowball those kills
Hold on. You don’t even have access to the Fakour? Do you have access to any Pheonix? Bruh you’re making these claims with almost zero basis.
it doesn’t push everyone defensive all you have to do it fly low and notch for a few seconds and the missile is harmless, you can turn right back in and the platform will be unable to avoid irrcm missiles as it already is. You are just a skill check to people who don’t notch decide to space climb. and it doesn’t massively outrange the aim120, it is about 10 miles more effective the range.
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The IRIAF is 13.0 material just fine as it is. Like the F-14B. The issue is there are many 13.0s that need to go up but cant because compression.
What are you even talking about? I never said I had trouble notching or chaffin them.
Lets duel
sure bro but you’ll regret it, I’ll be home at 6pm est move to pm then
Ahh yes. The textbook defensive position. Glad you got that.
10 miles is a massive difference in range. Even the R-27ER can’t quite compete with the fakour at altitude, the aim120 isn’t even close
I’ve spent a whole lot of time 1v1ing Mk2000s. In a missile fight, there’s nothing the F-14A can do (the Magic 2s are simply too fast + IRCCM). In a gunfight, You have to simply wait for it to stall out in the vertical and pop landing flaps to get your nose on as fast as possible. Since it’s always a missile + gunfight, 90% of the time the MK2000 wipes the floor against the F-14A (being generous to the F-14 tbh).
A good mirage pilot can counter 1C when you try to go for the shoot, because the F-14 needs to be rating at such a wide circle to be in charge of the 2C dogfight. All in all they are both tied in guns only. But in a normal match the F-14A might run out of fuel quite sooner.
if you don’t have a good rwr like the su27 you shouldn’t be at altitude, the f4f ice will win the bvr fight against the f14a every time because you will have a better radar and rwr so better situational awareness
the aim120 is about equal to the r27er in range for the record, it is slightly slower though the platforms you launch off will be much faster so the missile will have more energy than an r27er platform. f15e/eurofighter have longer range in their amraams than the su27sm does with its r27er for example.
Not really, the F14A will have better positional advantage and more range for BVR, you can still assume a lock and notch just fine with the F-14A, If both survive the BVR (any decent player would) The F-14 has the clear advantage after the merge
we’re just going to agree to disagree this is going nowhere
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No. The ER has a bit more effective range than the aim120.
about equal I said, and the r27er will get you killed trying to use that range, the amraam having only slightly less range and speed but the ability to go pitbull and let you go cold and survive is what makes it so superior.