Interesting that you choose to undermine the capability of all US players, as previously stated, a large majority of Su-30SM players will often launch multiple missiles within the same notch window, allowing you to deplete their missiles with the same defensive notch.
People doing dumb stuff is irrelevant to judging an aircraft capabilities. As far as ARB meta goes currently the su30sm is much superior the he f15e.
Even if missiles were buffed in such a way that notching would become extremely difficult(more realistic) the su30sm would be more oppressive by virtue of missile count and superior radar.
And american players are equally crap to Russian players in my experience.
At high altitude, that’s plausible.
From AF, F-15E wins.
From low altitude, F-15E wins.
From low altitude, F-15C wins, which I know from the fact F-15JM wins, which I was informed by others would occur. Including Statshark information as well as good players. This is not my take.
All in the same way Rafale wins against Su-30SM from low altitude and air field.
Speed and agility.
I am learning why people treat Su-30SM this well in their minds, but for now I only have the limited perspectives from rather good Rafale and Eagle players that have pointed out the flaws of Su-30SM that I myself take into account in matches.
I’m not going to entertain the personal attacks of others going on right now, I’m just going to talk about the F-15s and their competition.
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You’re just wrong.
If air RB is where those mistakes are commonly made, then how is that irrelevant, you have contradicted yourself.
Debatable given that gaijin is ‘observing’ the performance of the GE before handing it additional missiles, so it will likely receive the additional AMRAAMs and with the AESA that makes it on par with Su-30sm
That’s a big if and imo the stupidest way to buff it. I would much rather have the aim120c5 buffed and the FM fixed than have the dual pylons it “could” get realistically.
Wether gaijin does something is fully dependant on how many people grind it out which we’ll see today already if many hardcore players care about It.
Personally I don’t care for it at all as of now f15 stock grinds is already awful be cause of the useless 9L/9M and the aim7m I don’t care to repeat it
You don’t tier planes based on how stupid players are, of that were true every premium hornet would be 3.7
When I proposed this in the dev server thread, I was ridiculed, so I don’t expect to be told now that my suggestion for buffs was correct.
That’s exactly how you tier aircraft, mentally when I am in an Air RB match, if I want quick and easy kills I’ll focus aircraft with a traditionally poor playerbase. In an overall match standpoint this should be completed after the best aircraft on the enemy team is suppressed or destroyed (targeting Rafales early for example).
Target Prioritisation is an important skill within Air RB, and that directly coincides with personal performance
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Ok, thanks for the explanation, I was wondering if there might be something that didn’t show in the stats that might be effecting it. Do you know if that also effects the F-15J(m) as it uses a licensed version of the PW-220?
I know exactly 2 tactics: Low altitude ambush fighting, which I learned around the time F-14A was announced.
And the 2nd is high altitude BVR, which I learned in DCS 2 years prior to practicing it again in War Thunder.
Any other tactics I don’t know, which could be tactics Su-30SM players are using to do well… against tactics that aren’t low altitude ambush fighting.
Su-30SMs have fragged me, when I was re-learning how to high altitude BVR.
They haven’t for my normal tactics though. F-16s, Rafales, Su-27SMs, F-18s have, but not Su-30s.
For the tactics I primarily prefer, they seem to reduce the lethality of airframes like Su-34 and Su-30SM, and increase the lethality of super fast average agility airframes, and slower high agility airframes.
To put this into further perspective, the only aircraft I have chaff equipped on is Typhoon, Rafale, and F-15E, and Rafale forces me to bring chaff.
My performance in every other top BR jet is without chaff. I still don’t have the chaff modification for many of those jets.
To me, I see chaff as something I need for high altitude BVR, but if I’m not doing that, I don’t bring it.
Though I am seeing what it’s like to use in lower altitudes with the Gripen A, and seeing if I can further develop my low altitude tactics.
Acting like AIM-120C5 is a buff when it is categorically worse in EVERY METRIC except extreme range shots wherein it maintains a paltry ~0.1-0.2 Mach greater speed XDDDDDDD
You are baffling consistent with terrible takes, and cognitive deficiency, I hope your brain is one day studied for science.
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@Catnip007
Resorting to personal attacks while repeating the same arguments people used about R-77-1.
The irony is those aren’t my takes. You’re complaining about takes that aren’t mine in origin.
I just so happen to agree with others that Rafale and Typhoon are best, which you are implying they’re not by calling that a bad take.
Rafale quite literally is my playstyle at the top end. That… could blind me if I lose awareness of it fitting my tactical preference.
You know what MY personal take of Su-34 is? It’s the best 13.7 in the game for air RB. That’s my personal take.
Do I say it? No, because it’s biased, and potentially vastly incorrect when F-2A exists which I love more as an aircraft.
R-77-1 is the second best ARH in game and quite a bit ahead of everything after it.
Su-30SM was added with a better radar, more missiles on a-historical pylons AND the best CAS weapons in game without any prodding from the community to do so.
On the contrary, the F-15C GE is a complete bastardization of the jet its meant to represent and all efforts to correct this have been treated with disdain by the gaijin “mod team” (clowns)
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We are a month away from the next update. The major winter update.
If the F-15EX does not come and the GE is performing poorly Gaijin have shown in the past to apply buffs to aircraft that can have them. Adding 4 more 120s is an easy fix. The fm report has been accepted so they have that too. Alternatively the EX is added and the F-15GE drops down in BR.
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@Catnip007
Your post is incorrect. This is an F-15 topic.
F-15C GE came in with an average flight model according to Statshark and testing.
F-15C GE came in with BOL pods.
F-15C GE came in with a rather good AESA radar.
These are not my opinions. This is a restatement of events.
Further facts:
F-15C GE is an early 2010s upgrade scheme that was fulfilled by 2015, 3 years prior to the Boeing demonstration on a singular US National Guard aircraft.
In 2022? a program started to upgrade systems to that alleged standard. Despite my OPINION that the upgrade is occurring, there is no non-vague evidence within my possession.
To end this post: Here’s the reality.
If the F-15C GE gets changed in the same way CV 90105 was changed, it will have at least some air to ground weapons removed, it will have its cockpit changed, and be given what ever is able to be confirmed for addition to it. Oh, and it will no longer be called F-15C GE because it won’t be a Golden Eagle anymore.
I can support this, in my opinion; however, it does mean the aircraft will chronically be BR’d with the Rafales and Typhoons no matter what arguments any of us make up.
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I wouldn’t play this thing even at 14.0 tbh
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If they are planning on adding the AESA EFT in december, as is currently rumored, than the F-15EX is needed as it’s the closest counterpart for the US.
An AESA EFT will absolutely roll the F-15C GE even with the buffs you mentioned.
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The typhoon is the single most mobile and best performing jet ive ever used at high altitude man???
The f15 C which i have is good but the typhoon makes it look like dog water.
The air framw for the ef2000 is what 2nd best in game?
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It’ll absolutely roll most things mate. Lets be honest here.
I like my F15 eagles, loved the A model, quite enjoying the 15C .
They’re good platforms compared to some of the others I’ve used. However the 15C GE even with the upgraded radar isn’t as good as the current ef2000, don’t get me wrong i still believe its 14.3 worthy due to compression. But the ef2000 with aesa should easily he 14.7 or even 15.0 to allow more breathing room.
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