here’s a line up of some of them, 2nd last one being the the most armored one
Far right: CV9030N Mk.3
2nd from the right: CV9030N Mk.3 OPV
Middle CV90 wich is a mortar carrier
2nd from the left: CV9030N STRILED
1rst from the left: CV90 STING
Well its missing the front armor blocks, but other than that, yeah
It’s the “oppklaringsvogn” variant, wich has the 6m telescopic pole with Vingtags, has some changes to hull and various sensors/systems
Im reffering to the second from the right which does not have the front hull armor blocks that is on i believe the F1. Or at least its on some of the images accompanying the F1
These are all Mk.3’s
The recent aqquired series, only some years ago :)
The CV9030N F1 is a further upgraded mk.1 for use in afghanistan, those had a greenish campuflage and there were not too many of them, tje uogrades were some internal stiff in addition to additional armor, mineprotection stuff and various other
CV9030N F1:
And in one of the accompanying images you see frontal hull armor blocks.
Unless that is a different CV9030, in which case i was reffering to that one as the one i was interested in.
The cv9030n f1 is of the previous generation, the old ones thw first norway bought
All those four in that previous picture arw taken right before they were delivered to norway, showing all the variants
So those are different. I might have misunderstood you but i see that some of the vehicles i added in that album has different cheeks. It is a time ago since i made that so i will look into it again, but they are still of the old generation
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looking more at it i see i have used the wrong picture,and the other might be a regular cv9030n only with camouflage or a upgraded onw just without the extra armor on the turret, i am going to find out about that hehe
I’m trying to point out all of the meaningful top tier vehicles are not at all unique and the point is you’re deflecting the acknowledgement of that in favor of vehicles no one is really going to be paying attention to. Saying that causes no harm is just completely out of touch with the rest of the player base.
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More or less, the top tier part are unique, both the leos being modified, with among other things extra protection, and the spaas, acsvg5 being built in norway and with some norwegian systems, same with the hml
+1. It would be pretty cool to have 2 subtrees in 1 nation and would give more options and lineup potential to Sweden, especially the lower tiers.
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Then explain that harm in a way that doesn’t sum up to a different tree in the game having a seperate issue. Because thats all you have done up to this point.
Also i didn’t know trees were defined entirely by what was a top tier, but CV9030N mk. III and K2A2 would for now be unique.
The shorad systems are also unique, tho idk if all of them are actually eligible for the game. The Leo 2A8NO would be the vehicle that isn’t unique. And given you have only really complained about the German vehicles, i know where your heart lies.
I care about the German vehicles mostly because that’s the major additions to Sweden. Sweden would be nothing top tier without the strv 122 and the cope mongers claiming its specially Swedish and somehow better than the other leopard 2s. There’s also the issue of Sweden getting more cold-war mbts that are just spam copies.
And you are well aware of the idea that a nation with spammed top tier line ups has a massive advantage at top tier while every other nation in the game becomes more limited. The only reason anyone mentioned Norway for Sweden is because it would add more leopard 2s to Sweden and give them more cold-war vehicles, not because its at all unique or interesting.
If you wanna make suggestions in bulking what Norway has to offer to the game then you can, especially if u can find actually fun Norwegian developments, but as it is now its nothing special and its just cancer. The fact you’re forcing a magical argument like “Norway is 100% a good idea and everyone should agree with me” is ridiculous.
You are also trying to push a k2 for Sweden even though Norway didn’t even want it… Are you gonna give it no ammunition since they didn’t historically have the thing? Strv 122’s only have DM33 and m/95 for a reason dude.
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Customized trial variant. You know its there to add some flavor, and it has a better basis to be added than the T-80U currently in game. Id like to lessen the amount of vehicles with dubious basis to be added. This has at the very least a better basis.
Nato compatible, so per Italy its free to do whatever they want.
No i just want a good argument instead of the german cope answer of “oh muh Leopards”.
I dont see how padding out possible vehicles is bad in a suggestion thread. Like people say its bad, and dont explain why it is.
Yes because Gaijin generally favors what ammunition they did buy. And its not like the 122 needed something better than m/95
Also no, people mention Norway for Sweden because it thematically makes sense, and its also where Norway currently is. And there are interesting vehicled together with what is copy-paste to fill out the tech tree or vehicles that could be copy-paste that have yet to be seen in game.
People gave the suggestion because they would like to see some of the Norwegian specific vehicles especially.
If you want them elsewhere, advocate for that i guess. Giving them to Japan would gameplay wise make a lot of sense.
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So did the Norway suggestion come before or after everyone suggested Norway’s leopard 2s?
The whole basis of this thread and your argument is that Norway is somehow unique and anyone can look at it and realize its pure cope. I keep repeating my logical argument as it why its bad for the game and keep denying your ridiculous basis of uniqueness and you say I haven’t said an argument?
Did it every occur to you that Norway isn’t actually responsible for making the 2a8NOR or the 2a7NOR or the 2a4NOR or practically most of the vehicles in this suggestion to such an extant as to make them unique?
Like every sub-tree suggestion, there was probably a lot of single vehicle suggestions before the tree one came along. You know you do need to get a baseline for what vehicles to add before making a tree suggestion, right?
You repeat a claim that its bad as far as i can tell, and thats about it. You say its somehow harmful to Germany because of issues the germany tree has. Usually one argues for ones claim if one challanges it.
Yes im aware a lot of the vehicles are derived from other vehicles as expected from minor nations. Countries ordering from companies to make stuff does not detract from the fact its “theirs” In the depiction we will see in game
Tho the Leopard 2A4NO is more unique as far as i can tell compared to the Strv 121 and finnish Leopard 2A4. At least as far as we see them in game.
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People have, numerous times, but you just keep deflecing with your “well, that’s [nation]'s problem” cope. Like no shit it’s their problem, you are literally stealing their vehicles.
I bet if you Sweden got a Leclerc you would say “well, it’s the french tech tree’s problem”
Case in point
Not sure if you actually don’t understand the problem or you are just disingenuous. People have no problem with Norwegian modernizations or indigenous vehicles in the subtree, they have problem with copy paste that’s not needed which ultimately would turn Germany’s top tier into “Sweden but worse and less”
While germany gets 1(one) 2A6, 2A7 and 2A8, Sweden gets like 10 of them because of a random country who is geographically close to Sweden
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Sweden get 1 2A6, 3 uparmored 2A5, and in the future 1 upgunned and uparmored 2A5. (Sweden supplies 3+1 of those)
Norway supplies the 2A8NO (i dont think the trial 2A7NO is really a worthwhile talking about)
So no, Sweden “gets like 10” because they have 3+1 on their own.
If the French mains were doing the same arguments as the one in this thread, i would be saying that. Because it would be. But id also be here saying they should remove the Leclerc in favor of the K2NO because at least that trial variant i unique. Same way im talking about the T-80U currently in the tree.
Top tier will boil down to the few manufacturers that do make vehicles, thats the case for most trees. I dont think more of the same vehicles that allready exist detract from the German tree much as the lineup composition is different (at least not more than the Strv 122 allready has) . Not to mention the top tier of trees is not the only defining features of trees. So while the themes of Leo 2 at top tier are similar between Sweden and Germany i think the lineup composition is different enough to make them both interesting trees in their own right.
And the vehicles are needed in terms of padding out a line of for a Norway sub-tree. So in terms of making a suggestion they are needed to show what is possible. And some of the vehicles are unavoidable if you want to make a line since they are mainstays of the Norwegian ground forces. But you can make due with like 3 leopards for a line. leo1A5, Leo2A4NO and Leo 2A8NO. Leo 1 being somewhat interesting upgrades of older models. 2A8 is copy-paste and 2A4NO is copypaste, tho less so than the 2A4 in the swedish tree allready.
You mean Leopard 1 and M48, 2 tanks… to add to the 3 tanks Sweden already has that are copy-paste; T-54, Strv 101, and Strv 81… 3 cold war tanks currently.
For a total of 5 cold war “copy-paste” tanks out of over 18