Night battles being limited to 10.0+ is ridiculous, at that point pretty much everything has thermals which makes both weather conditions and amount of light mostly irrelevant.
We have NVD available to vehicles below 6.0 and around 8.0 the mod creeps into every one of your vehicles only to be disabled or forgotten as it is completely useless (though some vehicles do get useful gunner thermals at this point), so the limit should obviously be 8.0 if there is any.
Night in the game isn’t even that bad, some vehicles can blend in much better since they’re not highlighted as much by their awful camo. You can still hear enemies moving even if you can’t see them yet, actually much better than in a regular battle since planes are nearly nonexistent.
It’d be fine to allow night battles at any BR, if you can’t play night at 1.0 maybe just don’t enable it
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Agree, no BR cap imo. I would actually like to play, you know, REALISTICALLY as in what happened in WW2. Will a lot of super low BRs be a mess? YES, war is MESSY. That’s what REALISTIC should be about. Ground RB already lacks markers/lock on while Air RB still retains those features (but with a drastically reduced range.)
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REMOVE THE FLARES. It’s not night with automatically spawned flares every 30 seconds. Or if people REALLY want them in game still, maybe make them like artillery, where they are called on command, and maybe limit to 1 use per tank. Constant flare spam will ruin the purpose of a night match. I would still be fine with them being completely removed too. (But “realistically” they do exist in real warfare, so I’m 50/50 here. But constant automatic AI flares is a no go for me.)
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I AGREE WITH PITCH BLACK NIGHT BATTLES. Throughout history there has been a balance of full moon warfare, and pitch black new moon movements etc. Again, this would be very interesting to play in lower BR’s a-la WW2 with the “NVD’s” that only amplified light. In full moon lit nights, everything would be amazingly bright, but partial or new moon times would be pitch black. Again, would it be a sh*t show? Yes, but that’s the point, and is fine imo. Maybe people would need to use their ears more than eyes. Again REALISTIC. (I will take this moment to consider those with hearing disabilities, so perhaps a small visual cue could be added for a tank that is literally right next to you? Idk, that would be fine with me, as “IRL” you would have multiple crew members looking and listening. Perhaps make it so it’s better with the engine off. Just ideas, but just wanted to mention that I am sure some players would have issues with that. HOWEVER, there would still be the option to avoid joining night modes to begin with too, so perhaps no visual cue is appropriate.)
Hey guys, if you have not already please leave a comment in support of NB’s on the main thread, especially if you have heard from anyone else who has actually gotten a NB at all: Optional Night Battles for Ground Realistic Battles
My biggest point is advocating for a dedicated Night Battle only Queue/Mode (NB) which would make the BR limit a moot point–just have it open to all BRs and/or perhaps starting at Tier II or III. III might make more sense as to allow time for new players to become accustomed to the game before being brutalized by NB’s where they for sure do not have any NVD’s. : Optional Night Battles for Ground Realistic Battles - #47 by W_Wolfe
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Night battles should be in a lower br like 5.0. It’s weird having nvd on tanks that will never see anything darker than overcast. I have almost a thousand hours in the game and my highest rank is only 7.7. (Should be available in arcade as well)
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Flares, just reduce their effectiveness. They don’t need to light up the map, just an area about the size of a base or larger.
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Current mix might be okay if it was available at lower tiers.
The reason they don’t have it lower at the moment is because you typically don’t see NVD at all until like 6.3/6.7 and it’s usually just on a light tank or 2, some nations most of their tanks won’t get NVD’s until almost 8.0; but, right around when your tanks all start getting NVD at 8.0 thermals start showing up and thermals>NVD all day. America and China are good examples of a bit of the issues; America gets 2 tech tree vehicles between 8.0 and 10.0 with thermals the Bradley and the m60 TTS one is 8.3 the other is like 9.0…meanwhile, china gets 6 tech tree vehicles with thermals between 8.0 and 10.0 and 4 of them are 9.0/9.3.
there should be no br cap, but8.3+ br there should not be illumination flares. if there were to be night battles at low tier it would be nice to have them instead of ruining the purpose of NVD.
NBs are annoying for me since I dont even need the NV to drive the tank I can see everything, on desert maps there is a bug where the sand is very bright and it turns brigher and darker sometimes whidout any NV usage.
There should be no BR limit, and flares removed or reworked… Now night battles are bright as day. I had a “day” battle once where I used NVDs on my 8.0 tank.
There is no argument to why there should be a br cap. Clearly gaijin has already made night battles optional, so if you feel some nations have an advantage, don’t play. Nobody’s going to blame you. But don’t punish the people who want truly epic WW2 style night battles because of some wonky tech trees, especially when all you have to do is say “I don’t want night battles” and your whole issue is resolved. And flares do need reworking. be honest: who doesn’t want to prowl the night in a panzer II, or truly outplay a powerful enemy with poor awareness? Removing the br cap is a great idea, as it’s not only realistic but would make the game so much more fun, especially for players who have great awareness but struggle in even 1 on 1 engagements. Yes, those kinds of players exist. You should see the American mains I play against. But still. There’s no legitimate reason to have a br cap now that night battles are COMPLETELY optional.
But dude, with some stealth and some darkness, the things you could do in a bushed up ASU-57 is truly despicable. It would be hilarious. It would literally be gaijin’s new horror game.
When I heard that they’d make night battle optional, I was super hyped, however I was extremely disappointed when they made it BR 10.0 and above only.
Doesn’t truly further the discussion but I found it interesting my votes were all in line with the top votes. Meaning the majority for each was exactly how I also voted.
Might be something in that how the WT majority thinks.
People don’t enjoy Night battles since in-game it is poorly executed, to effectively make them possible would involve baked lighting that doesn’t cause lag but still illuminate textures. Which some devs have done before. However, I do not believe the Dagnor is capable of doing this. Due to it being essentially a 22-year-old engine. Just like how the BLAM engine is over 27 years old, the Creation engine is just a modernized Gamebryo engine which is also 27 years old.
While there are no innovations for the said engines it doesn’t necessarily mean there capable of handling certain tasks. Simply due to the age of the engine. There is only so much you can do to make an engine run higher-demanding games in a stable state.
Anyway, I digress, unless Gaijin figures something out that allows us to use our vehicle lights that’s baked so even lower potato tops can use the said feature. It probably won’t happen any time soon.
Why research NV in lower tiers if they are not being used, waste of my time & resources researching them!!!
Heya guys! My Night Battle toggle got turned off (I assume by itself, as I absolutely want it on). Maybe it reset after last update? If you enjoy NB’s and/or are still working towards the NB rewards, check to make sure it’s still on!
Bring back night battles for planes too at least for top tier.
Even if the spotting system has to be changed so that the spotting range is the same as day battles. Night battles in jets look amazing.
I don’t mind the illumination flares every now and then on BRs without NVDs, but after that, yeah, drop 'em.
Heres my opinon on this.
- I’m very split on the BR limit for night battles. I would defenitly go with no BR cap for NB, but that would make the game more tougher on newer players. I think there should be an option where the BR limit is lower by defult, but a player can choose to have no BR cap for themselves and they can participate in a vechile of a BR thats lower than the defult BR cap (they can also go back on the descion if they want to).
- Flares should be removed, thats it, I don’t like them. I think if a person really wants light, then I think lights/lamps that are common on many ground vechiles could be made functional, but this will also illuminate you wilst having them on. Also, I agree on the natural lighting of a NB, it would change depending on what moon phase it is or the cloud/fog cover.
- I think when it comes to the chance of when night battles happen, I think by defult the chance should be higher, but you could have custom options for having only day or only night battles.
- This might seem stupid and pointless, but I would also like to see night battles in Arcade mode. The markers will negate the point of it being night, but I think it would still be cool to fight at night anyways, at the very least it would look astectitly pleasing. I guess one thing that can be done to make night battles in arcade not worthless is to have the range of the markers (like in Air RB) be reduced signifigantly.
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Night battles are currently opt-in, so you have to choose whether you want one or not. Usually new players won’t do this. I think the 10.0 limit is stupid because many tanks below it have NVD. I only have 2 tanks above 10.0, which means I basically can’t get them.
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Agree fully. The flares make thermals/NVD useless.
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Are they really not a thing in arcade?