I mean the SAAF Gripen never used the R-Darter IIRC.
The issue is that at the time Britain really needed an aircraft for top tier so the SAAF Gripen was botched to fit the gap, it’s not necessarily any worse than the F-16AJ
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I hate to break it to you but anytime i mention MS to gaijin they deny the post considering theyve been feed so much misinformation from the SAAF post that MS isnt even something they wqnt to learn about. It sucks considering the swedish players were busy bug reporting the Gripen A instead of fixing the fires on the SAAF post…
Honestly if britain getting a gripen would then warrant nerfing the only vehicle for sweden then gaijin shouldn’t have added the Gripen C to britain at the same time as the A. Because of SAAF the C gets to be all sorts of messed up. Gaijin should’ve added the A when the F16C came out
Again the C should’ve been added when sweden got it considering 99% of the brits had no idea what they were bug reporting and the state of the gripen shows…
Chieftain with Challenger turret
I dunno why, but I love these oddball legacy tanks with modern turrets
Literally just a Challenger 1 sans thermals. The original batch of Shir 2s were reworked into the CR1 Mk.1s.
Yeah, up to this point, a 2010 heli having AN/APR39 from AH6 or AH1F is ridiculous. I really would love for some one to do what this guy does but for all trees A thread that helps you comprehensively understand Chinese 125mm MBT Armor Bugs in game - Machinery of War Discussion / Ground Vehicle - War Thunder — official forum All in one, helps so much.
Eh, I’ll take that anyways, it looks goofy and I love goofy looking tanks
Maybe, but asking Britain to wait another 6th months for a viable top tier aircraft also wasn’t a good option.
And I don’t think it’s fair to say the Swedish one was nerfed because of the SAAF one, the radar for the MS20 was only a potential addition this last update, if anything you got the GBU-39 long before you should have.
Realistically the fix for the Gripen C is to remove the GBU-39, that puts it back at MS17 right? then you can introduce a Gripen C late or Gripen E when new missiles become available
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See, you’re missing the point, every nation a gripen aside from sweden has an alternative vehicle they can play, sweden is stuck with a gimped vehicle as their only option. If sweden had Danish F16 AM than id be fine, at least i could play my home nations jet instead of some mid 13.7 against 14.0’s, unfortunately gaijin essentially permanently ruined the only vehicle for top tier sweden thoigh not surprising you wouldn’t know. It why ive been playing literally any other nation considering they have alternatives (and also since i now have to grind 3 eft’s…the grind never stops)
Also the R dater is literally listed as compatible with the Gripen C MS19 so even if its not in service it was added until we get IRIS-T as thats the only missile the SAAF gripens use. Again why hold back all gripens C’s for the sake of the SAAF especially now that EFT is here?
Did you even read my post? The gripen A shouldve been added when F16C came out which was before the gripens in December. That way gaijin could added both Gripens in December and they could already have the flight model fixed from the A.
Literally no such thing as a late, gripen C’s should be identified bybtheir MS, and considering gaijin has chosen to mix and match models before (F5C…) theres no reason the Gripen can’t be given its MS20 radar when we have AESA radars. Again considering it cant dogfight the 14.0’s, cant fly faster, and holds the fewest amount of missiles giving it a better radar would be at least something.
Also why would they go back to MS17? They should go to MS18 as that is the main jump form the Gripen A as that adds the recon pod and aerial refueling pump which was the upgrade from the A. So we would get the MS18 with the PS0/5A MK.II radar
MS17, 2004: color displays, better avionics, support for more weapons.
MS18, 2005: improved radar, a new system for electronic warfare, more data links, support for a reconnaissance pod with an advanced digital camera, and aerial refueling.
MS19, 2007: Improved night-flying, up to 8 hour sorties, Robot 98 [IRIS-T], protection against homing missiles, new bombing system, and NATO-datalink Link 16.
MS20, 2016: Meteor. Long-range radar-controlled hunting robot. Interacts with the aircraft’s sensors and support systems to detect and intercept enemy aircraft. Powered by ramjet engine, making it significantly harder to avoid. GBU-39. Small Diameter Bomb (SDB). A GPS-guided high-precision bomb with long-range capability. CBRN protection. The new protection against chemical, biological, radiological and nuclear threats makes it possible to carry out missions in contaminated environments. GCAS, Ground Collision Avoidance System. Automatic system to prevent collision with the ground in uncontrolled flight mode. Link 16 combat command link - extended functionality and faster data handling between the aircraft, the command center and other combat aircraft.
hope spice munitions enter files soon
spice 250 is enough as a counter, its advanced IIR/CCD seeker even not as powerful as the gbu53 ,is still very capable, just imagine a kh38 seeker we have ingame but more op with the other factor that you can carry 28 of these bombs!!!
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It’s more accurate to say Challenger 1 is a modified Shir 2.
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Early and late being related to weapons, if they have the MS20 now, then when they add the Meteor and IRIS-T they either need to update the current Gripen C creating a huge gap, add a second C for those missiles or an E. The C would be a Late vs the current Early
There is already a backlog on radar fixes, maybe the Gripen’s will be changed but they haven’t even got the new radars finished yet, so without the new radar it would have to be the MS17, that’s the free fix that doesn’t require resources not yet available
And sure, they should have added the Gripen A earlier, just like they should have added so many aircraft earlier than they did as everyone so keenly points out, now you can make an argument that they should slow down their additions, but you can’t say it should have come 2 updates prior unless you know why it came when it did, which you don’t
Again, more subtrees would be nice for Sweden but that is a separate issue to the Gripen
If Gaijin could fix every issue with the game overnight, I’m sure they would, but they can’t so they prioritize and right now the Gripen isn’t wrong enough to be an issue, it seems fair to say it’s currently an MS17 with GBU-39s, which is wrong, but the only quick fix is removing the GBU-39s and I don’t see many people being happy with that change, so it stays, maybe they accept your bug report and it goes into the backlog of several thousand bugs and issues that they need to work on, and maybe when they get the time they’ll give the Gripen it’s better radar and all will be fixed. The Tree ends at the Gripen E regardless, like I said you might as well have a competitive aircraft while it’s still possible, because as soon as 5th gens come, that ticket will be gone with the wind and Sweden will never have its own top tier, it’ll be down to subtrees from there
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Why can’t the event come a week later…
Any predictions on market price?
No idea, seems fairly popular maybe in the 40 range?
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This is a new argument to r&r.
Don’t fully get blaming players for what are the devs decisions though.
Well it’s kinda rare, but won’t be game breaking at the BR.
Most likely be cheap at first like most other vehicles. But i think a fair few will want to keep it this time around.
When you do the bug reports and see how many people get so much wrong info somehow passed to the devs it will make your head spin. I blame players for not bothering to spend 10 minutes looking up what vehicle they actually have instead of assuming they have a gripen E when they have a MS19 gripen C.
Its not hard to find that in 2022 they have yet to upgrade to MS20 and have financial problems. Where as every other gripen user has moved on to MS20, not to mention SAAF still has the same number of gripens they purchased in 2006. So where the SAAF players get the idea that their aircraft should have MS20 uogrades is from incompetence