Next Major Update - Rumor Round-Up & Discussion (Part 1)

[_Renzo]

@quartas121

eh the MLU and any of the F-16C are unneeded, japan will get F-2 soon hopefully, same with the F-15s.

You: nation X should not get Y vehicles because they have another plane coming up soon.

Also you: US should get multiple export versions of planes Y and Z even though the US still has quite a bit to look forward to.

[quartas121]

The MLU and C would be completely redundant, same with the D+

[MAUSWAFFE]

@quartas121

Fair enough, the only thing F-15 from US might not be allowed to do in wt is carry stuff like AGM 88 and 84 and maybe JSOW since afaik only export countries use those on F-15.

Well, you’d still have a solid chance for an F-15K, they don’t call it the SLAM Eagle for nothing.

@quartas121

However these were more than likely tested by US and since those weapons are compatible with an F-15, there is an argument for those to also be added to the US F-15E and EX.

Gaijin seem very 50/50 on it, but in theory as long as no major changes to the aircraft are needed it should be a reasonable thing to see.
I for one would love to see some tested features on aircraft to make them more unique, especially commonly exported aircraft coupd use that extra bit of variety and uniqueness.

[quartas121]

Yeah, since the hard points are the same afaik, it’s either already compatible or a software update away

[YaSen]

Imao the addition of Hungary or Romania as Italian subtree separately is pointless. I would rather have Spanish one in this case, but Romanian-Hungarian subtree can be very strong and interesting filling most of gaps Italy has + a lot of copypaste (athough most are not necessary) can use both Romanian and Hungarian skins.

[StormRyder13]

I mean there is always the better alternative for sub-trees than just more lines:
(yes I’m aware the maker of this is currently talking)

Subtree Rework - Nation Folders

poll [Nation Folders] Subtrees are a good way to help existing nations in their efficiency and vehicle variety, while introducing new and exciting nations to the game. They have been a part of War Thunder since the release of update “Ixwa Strike” in March 2021. Yet, they have also brought with them various controversies. From gameplay debates criticizing the addition of other nations vehicles “getting in the way” of researching the main nations vehicles, to more political discussions about wh…

It would help with the room issue as nations like the UK(& France) are missing a large number of domestic things(and that before lend-leas and whatnot), and their sub-trees are missing a lot/don’t even have room for what I want from them.

It would also be the only way I’d support Germany getting the Swiss(what is going to happen to them has already been said).

Like for WT, the best treatment for a nation in game(in my opinion) is:

1. Independent tech-tree
2. Not being in-game
3. Sub-tree
4. Have a home tree said
5. Being in-game(ripped across nations)

[MAUSWAFFE]

I still don’t really agree with this. While I agree a regular F-16C or F-16A MLU as they are found in other trees would be boring, even they would add much needed CAS capabilities.

Though there is more interesting variants to pick, such as the Thai modernized F-16A (e)MLU or the Singaporean F-16D+ that offer those much needed CAS options alongside their own slightly unique take on the F-16.

[quartas121]

No I mean it would be completely redundant for US, renzo seems to think I want them in the US tree

Though by the time the D+ and e MLU come Japan will probably have F-2 which is very capable, so it might even be redundant by then

[TheAceOfAces]

@MAUSWAFFE

Singaporean F-16D+

Does this thing differ much from Sufa?

[Shay]

No? America and Russia have significantly more than enough.

[quartas121]

Better radar and newer ECM stuff, made by lockheed

[quartas121]

NGL all a dedicated subtree would do is take away from possible US additions

Since Korea was leaked apparently, all it would add that would be actually interesting is the K2 and K1, along with slam eagle if gaijin is difficult and doesn’t want to give US one AGM 84.

K1 would be a side grade to the M1’s and K2 would also be a side grade to the SEP v3

[TheAceOfAces]

Tfw when the best Python slinging Falcon ain’t in the Israeli tree

[quartas121]

Forgot it does have python 5, but at least it means the I will probably be at a lower BR

[MAUSWAFFE]

@quartas121

No I mean it would be completely redundant for US, renzo seems to think I want them in the US tree

Ah, yeah probably. The thing is that for every variant of a US plane, the US usually has a similar variant.

@quartas121

Though by the time the D+ and e MLU come Japan will probably have F-2 which is very capable, so it might even be redundant by then

Depends on the role. Air to ship and air to air sure, though the F-16D+ comes close for air by having an AESA radar as well, alongside HMD and 6 BVRAAM capability, both things the F-2 lacks. But for CAS and SEAD they will be the superior aircraft compared to the F-2.

So I’d say these are less redundant, and more just different aircraft.

[Deathmisser]

@MAUSWAFFE

Depends on the role. Air to ship and air to air sure, though the F-16D+ comes close for air by having an AESA radar as well, alongside HMD and 6 BVRAAM capability, both things the F-2 lacks. But for CAS and SEAD they will be the superior aircraft compared to the F-2.

So in terms of stats the F-2 will just feel like a slightly upgraded AJ ?

[quartas121]

It’ll have slightly better dogfight performance iirc and pretty big upgrades in all other areas

[MAUSWAFFE]

@quartas121

NGL all a dedicated subtree would do is take away from possible US additions

You might want to take a look at my Subtree Rework suggestion. It’s a system where a subtree can properly repesent a nation without interfering with another nations tree

Subtree Rework - Nation Folders

poll [Nation Folders] Subtrees are a good way to help existing nations in their efficiency and vehicle variety, while introducing new and exciting nations to the game. They have been a part of War Thunder since the release of update “Ixwa Strike” in March 2021. Yet, they have also brought with them various controversies. From gameplay debates criticizing the addition of other nations vehicles “getting in the way” of researching the main nations vehicles, to more political discussions about wh…

[quartas121]

Fair enough. US can get it’s upgraded F-16C BLK 50, has same an apg 83 and other upgrades, but with an even better EW suite (AN/ALQ-257 IVEWS)

It’s all a long ways away though tbh

[Deathmisser]

Why hasn’t this been approved yet