Even the plan was really ridiculous for some of them.
Hungarian helicopters were a huge middle finger to those who have been gathering suggestions and information about Italian helicopters since 2018
Finnish aviation branch was deemed to suck because of the number of wasted Finnish designs as premiums
etc etc
The finger’s got even bigger once they decided to mix them into a single line.
As a lot of us have already pointed out, the only good subtree so far is the South African one. All subtrees that came after were extremely lazy and only achieved one thing:
Reducing national identity by overshadowing the indigenous designs and filling holes with copy paste
Despite having so much potential for uniqueness, sub-trees in an ironic twist exasperate the copy paste issue.
Sure, more unique vehicles are available, but more copy pastes are too.
It’s so unfortunate
Gaijin has shown they’ll only add unique vehicles in a researchable state if in a full TT. So if we want unique sub-trees they’d need to be in a way that makes them look like a full tree, something like this for an example
It also shows how multi-nation trees would turn out. “More Nations = More C&P” so Gaijin has shown that “Less Nations = Less C&P” is how WT works at the end of the day.
And then the even funnier part is that they promise some variety later on but have recently failed to deliver anything noteworthy.
Copy pastes saved Italy from being a joke nation, to actually competitive in air RB
Yes its a boring way to introduce “new” things even tho they aren’t new, but this is a video game, and some balance needs to come in some form
Can’t really blame Gaijin that much for only adding what is historically true
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Here here, I mean what other nation that has unique jets that would be good for Italy ?
The answer is no one so really you’re just complaining about Italy getting a sub
tbh this is why I hate india and SA as sub trees, neither of them provide any kind of top tier ground at all, we already have their best tanks meanwhile every other sub tree goes to 11.7. I really had hope our second sub tree would fix this issue but no, its just gonna be copy paste eastern tech with no actual value since the only place it can add anything of worth is air and we dont need help in air
UK is a very unfortunate nation
It honestly shouldn’t be as bad as it is right now, but I think the implementation of some things only made it suffer that much more. Challengers should’ve been added much earlier than they were, as well as Tornados, both of which could’ve made Britain stand well in a meta for a while
Their sub trees like you said only add variety at the mid tiers, which is cool and and all, but gives no real reason for anyone to take UK to top tier all the way
I mean it’s not even that India atm is just a cash grab and doesn’t add anything to the tree.
Like there two leaked and bloged SPAA’s where India could atcually help.
But nope some reason they left it out.
and don’t get me started how they will tag on nicely after the Vickers line.
Throwback to New Power, where UK was meta in air (GR.1 SRAAMS at 9.3) lmao
Not having something at certain BRs and maybe even not being competitive is part of a nations identity.
If someone doesn’t want to use the things that a nation historically had to offer, then maybe they shouldn’t play that nation and play one with vehicles that they actually want to use.
This whole “but nation x needs something from nation y to make people grind it” seems extremely counterproductive to me, especially when it makes the exporter nations less interesting.
even if they come after the vickers line the top tank in that line will still be the vickers mk7 as there is nothing in india that is better then it so honestly I dont even know why we got them, sure OSA could be something but we have our own systems I would far prefer an upgrade to the stormer to allow it to carry Marlets
That’s a great way of only having 3 nations be played at all in this game.
Nation uniqueness has a hard cutoff for many, and the minor nations this becomes very much the case. You cant offer uniqueness as the only product when you start a nation, there has to be some kind of payoff for grinding it to the end.
dont get me wrong but I agree on the most part but every nation must have a reason to go to top tier otherwise why would anyone?
the british tree is easily one of the worst for play top tier in ground, the only ones I can think of that would be worse is Isreal and maybe China
Look at Italy for example, prior to Hungary their top tier was (F-104’s, G.91, Tornados, F-16, and a Harrier.)
NONE of those are unique to Italy. Italy wouldn’t even have a top tier tree if we only chose “Unique” vehicles for every nation
Again, if people don’t want to use the Challengers (and whatever light vehicles Britain might get for top tier), then they shouldn’t bother with British top tier.
Well, I don’t mind C&P but what I do mind is the fact that C&P comes instead of the unique stuff. And due to the one-line nature of sub-trees, this means most of its unique stuff ends up being events.