Actually, I was thinking of the Kurnass
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New premium for what exactly? To grind the UK air TT quicky? Cuz the F-4J (UK) can do just that fairly well.
yes… it is. It’s the same BR as the objectively better FG.1/FGR.2 which both are also not good aircraft at 11.3.
and??? this is like saying my car can go 40kph and can steer
no…it doesn’t. no 9Ls
no, only unguided weapons which are only good for base bombing in air RB or sim
lower than most 11.3s
fuck no, please actually read about the aircraft you are talking about. It is a normal J-79 phantom
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No, it’s no where close.
It outpaces my AJ37 viggen off the runway, untill I eventually catch up, so…
Already stated I was thinking of the Kurnass, might want to scroll and bit and see later posts before jumping to conclusions.
It gets a pretty decent radar, radar gun sights, a high cyclic rate gun (both already stated), and four DF missiles, and a decent accel, loads of CM’s, and okay maneuverability.
If you don’t know what cyclic rate is, just tell me, I can explain it pretty easily.
Yeah, it is, because you listed very mundane and ordinary traits. None of that is particularly important or noteworthy.
So… in this very specific STANDSTILL launch scenario it has the advantage… wow… what is a power/thrust curve in an engine btw? also, what is drag? ALSO, what is a single comparison between two planes that completely disregards all other comparisons?
standard for the BR
not super relevant, many people don’t even sue these due to how inaccurate and pointless they are in a dogfight.
not a huge upside to point out
same as any other phantom of which this one is far worse overall
one of the worst accels of any phantom in game, only “beat” by F-4C iirc. Let me repeat, F-4JU(N)K is a STANDARD J-79 phantom with no engine upgrades, NO drag upgrades, and no weight reductions.
average amount of CMs
shitty agility you mean? refer to my previous comment about it being a standard J-79 phantom with zero upgrades
Obviously it’s not as bad as you say, or the BR would go down.
Not how that works. I also said only facts.
That is indeed how that works, gaijin bases a vehicles BR on player performance, but also on the ability of the vehicle/aircraft.
No, it isn’t. Address the points I made or I’ll just assume you can’t.
Here they are:
Which is every air RB match. Getting to the fight first, or at least before your friendlies can get in weapon attack vector (I.e. rear aspect missiles).
I’m pretty sure most people use them, specifically in “head on” situations, not direct head ons, but frontal attack vectors, not for dogfighting.
This is a large upside, place any other gun, any non-rotary gun, with a standard cycle system, and it will not only output more rounds per second, but more explosives and lead, which means you have a high chance of hitting a target when you strafe them.
Yet again, not a “viable comparison” in your eyes, but the JA37C, only carries two of these, and it’s weaponry is okay, but also, back to gun, has a low cyclic rate.
So, yet again, what I said before.
It’s better than the LawnFart 9000 (Aka the MiG-21) or really most “high speed” fighters, but it sure as hell isn’t a Dorito.
not relevant to performance between supersonics. Takeoff performance is not a key factor…
JA37C is a lower BR and has a far better flight model.
what are you talking about?
No… it isn’t. You are not skilled enough to be having these discussions with takes like these.
Mate, you’re trying to argue that a plane you haven’t flown is good based on how it looks like it compares to your Viggen?
A plane widely regarded as the one of if not the single worst top tier premium and Phantom in the entire game? Though I’d still argue the F-4EJ and clone are trading blows for that position.
A plane that’s a straight downgrade from an already mid tech tree vehicle at the same BR?
Weird hill to choose to die on.
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F-4J UK fits pretty well as the premium with the current development of the tech tree so far. It’s essentially identical to the 2nd best fighter in the tree. 0 need for a replacement until the Typhoons begin to proliferate.
Let me help you out!
the FG.1/FGR.2 are both incredibly average/sliding into bad territory fighters at 11.3 btw. This is a downgrade from those. It should simply be lowered to 11.0.
This isn’t even starting to compare to the F-4S which is insanely strong in comparison to the F-4Junk
It definitely is, ability to recoop speed after a dogfight is important.
Yes, .3 of a BR, and does have a better flight model.
I’m fairly sure the F-4J is better than a MiG-21BIS.
I still think you missed my point on UK should still get a better top tier premium jet still.
Oh, and sorry for the delay, got busy doing something.
These aren’t related unless your dogfights are taking you to 0kph in the air my guy, static thrust is not the same thing as combat thrust. You aren’t even considering the idea the engines have different spool times on RPMs.
Which is all it can get in this compressed ass matchmaker yet it still has a far better FM with similar missile loadouts. The JA37C is possibly even better than the F-4Junk despite being a lower BR.
F-4J/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/ F-4J (UK) Entirely different planes
And you’re completely missing what I just said. It’s nearly identical. It’s faster up high than either of the Spey equipped phantoms. The capability of those phantoms in general is irrelevant as all 3 are roughly similar and still the 2nd best fighters in the tree. And I don’t really care what people say about the FG.1 and FGR.2, they are excellent aircraft played at their BR. the RB idiots that don’t know how to play jets without guns moan about their mobility because they are too stupid to understand how to play the positioning game. I almost guarantee I have more time in the Spey phantoms than anyone claiming they are bad, and the F-4J just trades low altitude acceleration for high altitude top speed.
Nitpick much, I think you got my idea still.
While the JA37C is more maneuverable, it’s a bit heavier, bleeds speed like a brick, and has way less ordinance at its disposal; compare to the F-4J (UK).
It is VERY different in practice due to a LARGE difference in flight model. It is a LOT worse at accelerating and maintaining speed.
This would matter in prior years. Current meta is ground hugging.
As I said at the start of this comment, they’re not roughly similar in actual performance.
This literally means nothing. What is your point
Sounds like you just like the planes and have a bias. They objectively don’t do great and aren’t great. They are mediocre at best at 11.3. F-4S is a strict upgrade just about minus speys.
You can position all you want. If the other guy doesn’t let you missile him you’re not going to missile him and there’s fuck all zilch you can do about it. This is why guns are important.