New BR's for AIR RB (Suggestion

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I made a table based of the most recent changes for the BR’s of aircraft 10.0 and up and wanted to know what others thought of it. I tried to make it balanced and I also increased the top BR to 15.0 for aircraft like the F16C, Su27SM, JAS39C etc. I.e. Good flight performance and Medium Range ARH Missiles (FOX-3)

Then theres aircraft like the harriers and J8F which have FOX-3 missiles but not great flight performance or worse IR missiles than top tier, those are at slightly lower BR’s.

I couldve forgotten something so let me know what you guys think.

Current top tier is a mess even after the BR changes and increasing the top BR to something like 15.0 would really help

Name Current BR New BR
F8U-2 10 11
A-7D 10.3 10.7
A-5C 10.3 10.7
A-10A 10.3 11
Su-25K 10.3 11
Su-25 10.3 11
F-105D 10.3 10.3
Super Etendard 10.3 10.7
Mirage 3E 10.7 11
Mirage 5BA(France) 10.7 11
F-8E 10.7 11.3
Sea Harrier FRS.1 (e) 10.7 11.3
Su-17M2 10.7 10.3
AJ37 10.7 11.3
F-104G (China) 10.7 11
MiG-21MF (Italy) 10.7 11.3
MiG-21MF (Germany) 10.7 11.3
MiG-21SMT 10.7 11.3
Jaguar E 10.7 11
Jaguar GR.1A 10.7 11.3
F-111A 10.7 11
AMX 10.7 11
Jaguar A 10.7 11.3
A-7E 10.7 10.7
Buccaneer S2.B 10.7 11
F-4C Phantom II 10.7 10.3
A-10A Late 10.7 11
A-6E TRAM 10.7 11
F-5A 11 11.3
F-5C 11 11.3
F-4F Early (Germany) 10.7 10.3
AJS37 11 11.7
F-4F (Germany) 11 11
JA37C 11.3 12
F-104S 11.3 11.7
F-104S TAF (Italy) 11.3 11.7
J-7E 11 12.3
Tornado IDS MFG (Germany) 11.3 11.3
Tornado IDS MTD61 (Germany) 11.3 11.3
Jaguar IS 11.3 11.3
F-5E FCU 11.3 12.3
Su-22M4 (Germany) 11.3 11.7
J-8B 11.3 11.7
J-7D 11 11.7
Kurnass 11.3 11.7
F-4EJ Phantom II 11.3 11.3
F-4EJ ADTW 11.3 11.3
F-4E Phantom II 11.3 11.7
MiG-27K 11.3 11.7
MiG-21bis-SAU (Italy) 11.3 11.7
MiG-21 Lazur-M (Germany) 11.3 11.7
MiG-23MF (Italy) 11.3 12
MiG-23M 11.3 12
MiG-23MF (Germany) 11.3 12
Su-17M4 11.3 11.7
Su-22M3 11.3 11.3
Sea Harrier FRS.1 11.3 11.7
F-104G (France) 11 11.7
F-104G (Italy) 11 11.7
F-5E (China) 11 12
Su-22M3 (Italy) 11.3 11.3
F-5E 11 12
F-5A (China) 11 12
Saab J35XS 11.3 11.7
A-7K 11.3 11.3
F-104G (Germany) 11 11.7
Su-22UM3K (Germany) 11.3 11.7
AMX A-1A 11.3 11.7
Kfir Canard 11.3 12
Kfir C.2 11.7 12.7
MiG-23MLD 11.7 13
MiG-23ML 11.7 12.7
MiG-23MLA (Germany) 11.7 12.7
Su-25T 11.7 12.7
Su-39 11.7 12.7
Tornado F.3 12 12.3
Tornado IDS (1995) (Italy) 11.7 12
Tornado GR.1 11.7 12
Tornado ADV 12 12.3
Tornado IDS ASSTA1 (Germany) 11.7 12
Phantom FG.1 12 12.3
Phantom FGR.2 12 12.3
Mirage F1C 12 12.7
F-4S Phantom II 12 12.3
F-104S.ASA 12 12.3
F-4J Phantom II 12 12.3
F-4J(UK) Phantom II 12 12.3
JA37D 12 12.7
Kfir C.7 12 13
Mirage F1C-200 12 12.7
Mirage 2000D-R1 12.3 12.7
Mirage F1CT 12.3 12.3
Kurnass 2000 12.3 12.7
Harrier GR.7 12.3 12.7
Su-25SM3 12.3 12.7
Mirage 2000C-S4 12.3 13.3
Mirage 2000C-S5 12.3 13.3
JH-7A 12.3 12.3
MiG-21 Bison (Great Britian) 12.3 12.7
F-14A Early 12.3 13
F-4EJ Kai Phantom II 12.3 12.7
F-14B 12.7 13.3
Yak-141 12.7 13.3
F-16AJ 12.7 13.7
MiG-29 12.7 13.3
MiG-29 (Italy) 12.7 13.3
MiG-29 (Germany) 12.7 13.3
F-16A 12.7 13.7
F-20A 12.7 13.3
Netz 13 13.7
F-16A MLU (China) 13 13.7
F-16A ADF (Italy) 13 13.7
F-16A ADF 13 13.7
F-16A (France) 13.3 13.7
F-15A 13 13.7
Mirage 4000 13 13.7
Baz 13 13.7
F-15J 13 13.7
JAS39A 13 14
AV-8B Plus (Italy) 13 14
AV-8B Plus 13 14
Sea Harrier FA 2 13 14
J-8F 13 13.7
MiG-29G (Germany) 13 13.7
J-11 13.3 13.7
Su-27 13.3 13.7
Tornado F.3 Late 13.3 14
F-4F KWS LV (Germany) 13.3 14
MiG-29SMT 13.3 14.3
F-16AM (France) 13.7 15
F-15J(M) 13.7 15
F-15C MSIP II 13.7 15
F-16C 13.7 15
Mirage 2000-5F 13.7 15
JAS39C (Great Britian) 13.7 15
JAS39C 13.7 15
JAS39EBS HU C (Italy) 13.7 15
Barak II 13.7 15
Su-27SM 13.7 15
J-11A 13.7 15
Baz Meshupar 13.7 15
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lol… 1.0 BR difference between F-4F ICE and F-16C? lol Massive lol
Joke of a list and suggestion, especially with A-5C being higher than F-8U, and F-8U somehow being no where near its equivalent: F-1.
Mirage 3s being lower than F-8E…

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You forgot to move the f14.

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For most of these I went off of how I do in them.

Whenever I play the A5-C I do well but again, I did say “I couldve forgetten something so let me know what you guys think”

I also went off of gaiins recent br changes so the F-1 Isnt on them, its 10.0 and up, but I added the F8U because that thing needs to go up.

Yes, better radar, IRST, better Flight performance, better Radar missiles(IMO)

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Which one? Because both went up.

If your talking about the iranian one, I didnt add it because it wasnt on the list

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You know… fair. I think that’s not the way to do it, and I appreciate your honesty in how you got to these results.
The list has a lot of issues, especially closer to the top end where AMR- AAMs close the performance gaps of aircraft significantly.

IRST is a gimmick and entirely useless without off boresight missiles, radars are equivalent, and Mirage 3 and F-8 have similar dogfight performance while Mirage 3s are faster.

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My bad

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Yea ik. Im just trying to bring attention to the fact that nothing really changed at top tier after the “BR changes”

Not really, i use it instead of radar because it gives no warning,

sure, but equally bad

not really. The F8 holds energy better than the mirage, meanwhile the mirage is technically faster but its acceleration is awful

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AKA the F-8 can’t pull as hard as the Mirage.
When all is equal, F-8 and Mirage have similar energy retention.
Mirage allows you to pull more and that’s about it.

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Pulling hard isnt everything, The F16 at top tier is a beast because of its energy rentention, their just different play styles,

Again I went off of how I do in them because Im a pretty average player, 50% win rate.
And ive always done better in the F8E, idk, maybe its just my playstyle but I dont really like the Mirage 3’s. I love the 2000’s, but if I want a lower BR delta I usually play the MiG-21SMT or MF, or something like the Viggen

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You tried to pull a “Jack of all trades, master of none.” BR evaluation, yet it drags more quetions than answers.

  • Compression between 12.7 and 13.7 would be TERRIBLE, a Mirage F1C shouldn’t face a 10 missile boat Su-27.
  • 10.3 would be the new black hole BR between transonic and supersonic jets, as a result, 9.7 jets would get permanent downtiers, and 10.0/3 would get permanent uptiers, since you mostly placed strike planes at those latter brs, they’ll struggle the grind in ARB.
  • MiG-29SMT having 0.7 gap difference between other top tier slingers because “it’s terrible”, yet having one of the most advanced radars to crank and engage at the same time?

Good attempt, but no thanks. Leave everything as it stands right now, it is far easier to fix things and to decompress to 14.0, but further from that it’s just a waste of time.

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Im not saying "this is how it should be, Im just trying to create discussion about the topic so hopefully gaijin sees it and actually (hopefully) does something about it

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i genuinely don’t think we need a new BR overhaul in ARB. We already received a whole new 1.0+ in decompression, 14.0 would be more than welcome to fix some brackets, but things rn are much better than at the beginning of the year.

The one decompression i would agree on is GRB from 11.7 to at least 13.0. Since BRs in GRB have a direct consecuence in SP cost, it’ll be a domino effect on balancing.

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8.7-9.7 would like to have a word with you

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Not the best experience, yet playable and feasible with most if not any vehicle in that range.

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Here is 1v1 video if you want.

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Hahahaha, good joke. Try playing the G-91YS or the Hunter F.1 and see how that goes for you

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not the best stats, but the Hunter did its job to a minimal extent, and that’s what i stated.
Can’t speak for the G-91YS, but one case isn’t enough to redo an entire bracket.

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You are the only person so far i’ve seen that does not support further decompression of said bracket. But if that’s where you stand, then what can I do

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saying it’s playable =/= not supporting. Decompression is always welcome as long as it’s critical to overall experience. 8.7-9.7 compression is not that of a big deal.
Don’t put words in my messages, git gud or cope with what you’ve been dealt.