- G.91YS
- Sagi II
- Ariete
- J32B
- Shenyang F-5
- Hunter FGA.9
- F-100A/D
- F-104A/C
- MiG-19PT/S
- Su-7B/BKL/BMK
- MiG-21F-13/J-7II
- EEL
- A-4N
All of them are thrown into 9.3 but, you think it is fine right?
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Sorry, but you have no idea what you’re talking about lol. That bracket might be the most compressed bracket in the entire game. I assume you don’t play it as much or else you’d have a much different opinion (like 99% of the community.)
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It’s alr, in downtiers it sealclubs by its sustained aoa.
same as sagi
Swifts are tough to play but overall doable.
Same as Sagi/Ariete case +missiles
alr.
playable.
undertiered, should go up by at least 0.3.
alr.
alr, you should grind those planes for GRB man, not ARB.
you have a terrifying FM at 9.3, at a decent cost of suboptimal engine acceleration. It doesn’t get better than that.
As a side note, you guys need to stop treating attack planes like feasible material at ARB.
Problem is all of them have same BR.
Sagi II is just a bad variant of Ariete so shouldn’t have the same BR.
Why you talking about Swift?
Ask that for Lim-5P/MiG-17PF which has literally same flight model but, 0.7BR lower because of just x2 missiles are missing lmao.
Meanwhile Hunter F.6 in French TT which has almost same flight models but, 0.3BR lower.
One of worst joke I have ever seen in last few month.
Again… You think MiG-19PT/S which was king of dogfighting should have same BR with late subsonics even some of them has no way for winning against MiG-19?
Yeah you can use it as fighters since it has x4/x6 S-24 rockets that can wipe enemy at headon.
It also has decent top speed and not bad flight models if you compare to MiG-19s.
Do you want to continue?
I don’t know about F-13 but, J-7II has decent engine.
IMO it should have same BR with MiG-19 but NOT 9.3.
Trueeee.
Enjoy for dying to AIM-9D that is launched from A-4N which has decent engine, not too bad flight models compare to other subsonics.
I mean there are many attackers that can be used as fighters, and many are questionable criterion even for the “attacker” rolls that Gaijin gives them to begin with such as Fw 190 F-8, F-84B/G, FJ-4B, Sea Harriers.
I’d love to know the reasoning behind the Tornado’s BRs. MFG still 11.3 where GR.1 is 12.0
Tornado F.3 at 14.0…Only if the actual 13.7 aircraft are 15.3
Don’t get too caught up with the missile the AIM-120 on a platform like a Tornado isn’t scary
Why is the MLD higher when the 3 of em are the same plane?
Maybe better RWR and flight models?
It probably makes sense in sim but, idk in ARB.
Same RWR and flight models (slightly different, but barely noticeable, we are talking about a difference of 0.2 Gs in turn)
It’s not a problem, some of them are undertiered, though that’s not enough of a reason to redo an entire bracket.
And the F-104A is just an F-104C without ordnance with a slightly better engine, so shouldn’t have the same BR increase. See? it’s all about compromises.
They have similar performance, the J32B is slightly better at a not reasonable increase in BR.
That is more proof that both planes are undertiered than the opposite.
Yep. Once you take out its speed, it’s the same as a 104. A good player should be capable to at least deal with a MiG-19 even in a Sagi.
If you expect to use attack aircrafts in exotic roles and get good results, then don’t look to the system for answers. While i can agree it has a decent FM, you shouldn’t be relying on its potential as a dogfighter, as most of planes will just rinse you at the moment you commit a minuscule error. It is a plane that relies on methodical approaches and BnZ. The moment you fail to kill whoever you were pointing, you have someone with decent missiles behind you 80% of the time.
Of course.
If that concession is made, so be it. Both 9.3s 19 and 21 work as sidegrades from each other, one with a generous energy generation, and the other has the best dogfighting capability at the rank.
The A-4N has questionable acceleration, its saving grace is the instantaneous turn and ordnance, and even then everyone here should be aware that heavy attack planes have decent ordnance for self defense. I don’t see the problem on that if there’s people that doesn’t approach them correctly (basically from above.)
Terrible energy generation, no wonder why it gets an airspawn.
Harriers dry their energy like crazy, you can pull up to 2 decent turns before coming a brick. All of those attack planes can be beaten fairly easily on planes with a superior energy generation than a tractor.
In concusion: guys, be careful with your energy. 8.7-9.7 may not be as enjoyable as other brackets (never said it was enjoyable anyways) but i swear to anything, it’s not that terrible of a BR as you want to put it.
IIRC, MiG-23ML/MLA has SPO-10 but, MLD has SPO-15 which is same with MiG-29.
At the very least, MLD one can tells PD Radar lock from Navy/British Phantoms, F-14s, etc.
In SIM, avionics is even more important than ARB, but it is completely irrelevant in the ARB BR discussion.
Its not that we need a much higher br, but I think if we increased it a bit we could further decompress lower tiers aswell, as they will have some breathing room
I put it a little higher because it has a much better RWR, in reality theyd probably stay the same tho
deeply unserious person