and maybe i should change the discussion title, but the Surbaisse is also stupidly broken:
120mm HE that can overpressure technically EVERYTHING is just too OP, and combined with good mobility for a heavy tank, it doesn’t have sense.
Okay now you’re talking about tanks you’ve never used, the M103 has the same HE, as well as far far better armour. the surbaisse if you just shoot through the front of hte turret itll nuke it cause the ammos at the back of the turret
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the somau? can pen a T72? frontally? since when xD
I feel like it is something similar to the statement “the wiesel can pen/kill the obj279 from the side”
Its true but not something that you can realistically do often enough for it to matter.
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Even then I dont think the weisel can kill a 279 from the side can it? xD I mean there may be broken pixels but yeh…
Look generally I do think the somau SM could do with a BR review, it is seriously oppressive when used properly.
However Im not gonna sit here and act like its some godlike tank xD
@Flanker_Thunder
I mean it can technically pen and kill a T72 if you get extremely lucky on a LFP shot, most the shots just soak into the armour and dont actually pen, as for the turret, every single MBT in this game has a breach weakpoint, so you aren’t penneng a T72A turret n killing it.
(caveat BTW buddy the T72A and T64A are some of the easiest 9.3s in teh game to kill due to the size of their weakpoints, you could do the same thing to them with a 7.7 centurion, or even better yet 7.0 T29 …
good luck penning and killing a T72 with an unstabilised tank before it nukes u n moves on xD
I don’t know where you’re shooting but I always found it easy to hit them in the turret. Or just disable them first and go for a two tap
This topic sounds like ‘French don’t need a new Leclerc because AMX-50-120 will overpressure the Leopard 2A7 and become the new 12.0BR French MBT, and Somua SM will be a good backup for it.’ :/
(Someone please attach that french meme picture.)
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It’s funny because it’s the best french tank at 7.7, and you could argue that it’s better than the Char25T at 8.0. Yet it stays at 7.7 because $$$.
Believe me, ammunition depletes fast when using solid shot. 2-3 shots per target are standard, and that is for skilled players. Players that are actively in the battle, or sniping at long range, will rarely get a chance to refill the autoloader due to the delay which exists between firing and start of the refill procedure.
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There is a plate that covers the driver which is flat and thin enough for it to pen the plate at about 400m. I found this out when my obj279’s driver got killed by one
I dont deny it is good. But i dont see its reload as a reason for it to fight more stabilized HEATFS and APFSDS.
If it had the APHE, i would move it up no problem.
It stays at 7.7, because tf you do at 8.0 in a full uptier? The solid shot is great, but you soon start facing tanks you’ll have a big trouble with (some you can’t even frontally pen, only barrel and track). If it had HEAT-FS or something, sure, put it at 8.3 for all I care. But being locked with solid shot only, its uptierability is questionable unless the vehicle in question is something like the E.B.R 1954 with its nutty mobility.
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french cannons don’t have sense.
also the surbaisse has good armor, even if it doesn’t look like, one time a surbaisse survived to a 239mm soviet 100mm shot in the side of the turret at the ring.
and the surbaisse has better reload and mobility than the M103, so its a 50:50
Depends if you aim it properly, i use the french 7.7, lorrain and surbaisse etc.
I see, that would of been extremely handy to know a few years ago 😂now it aint too bad at its br.
Same as all 7.7 heavies but isnt it, moves up its useless in a downtier theyre near untouchable.
Is4, t32e1, m103, surbaisse, conq, somua.
I think people forget that if jt moved to 8.0 it would see the likes of the ztz88’s, and ofc m60 rise, megachs, strv105 which sll throw darts as standard munitions.
Infact most 9.0a do
its funny that people always bring up that french has overtiered vehicles, but its exactly the opposite… the hole french 7.7 need to go to at least to 8.0. The Somua was my go to tank to club all the mauses when people were researching it.
its a freaking racecar with an 4 sec. autoloader - compared it to a slow is4 is laughable
Did you even play it recently? The max speed increase completely butchered the smooth acceleration of the Somua SM. Now after you go to 4th gear, you will have significantly worse acceleration and struggle to speed up if there’s even the slightest slope. I literally have to keep the tank in gear 3 with any kind of slope unless it’s already fast, because it struggles to speed up in gear 4.
It Is fine.
Armor isn’t very good. Unlike IS-4M And M103, both also 7.7, it can’t bounce first shot APDS rounds (which most people load as their general purpose round) and
The turret armor is trolly but has large vulnerable area
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well people view things white and black. Le can pen T-72 but the somua sm realistically can pen a small aspect of the T-72 which is stabilized and has an massive first shot advantage (you don’t really have time to choose a fancy weak spots)
like a extremely small area that can be penned? yeah this isnt practical in actual combat because T-72 will fire first before you have time to line up a perfect shot
The whole vehicle has incorrect armour according to the bug reports on it, it would be fine at 7.7 if it was given it’s correct armour.
Again, the problem is decompression of BR’s :(
guess what, german main