The R-77-1 is much faster than the AMRAAM.
aim120 is only the best if notching and multipathing were removed (and the best planes would be F-15E and or EFT instead of rafale)
Even then, the R-77-1 has nearly the same longe range potential, while having enough magazine depth to just shoot down every missile fired against its carrier and then freely engage a guns only target
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Under those conditions, Id still fear the Su-30 and Rafale more.
The window in which AMRAAM would hold a clear advantage would be pretty small and would give any target plenty of time to terrain mask or kinematically exhaust the missile.
But the SU-30 and Rafale with their respective missile would be a far more deadly combo once the ranges close, as both missiles are harder to defeat kinematically at short to medium ranges and the radar advantages both have would make firing much easier.
In teh Typhoon I’ve had plenty of fights where I simply couldnt get a missile off in the window in which I might have held a clear range advantage because my radar didnt want to cooperate.
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- IT should be.
- IT is only so in a straight line, once turn is involved it is much slower.
Well except from R77-1, everything is then a tier down in terms of BVR. Partly of course, the kinetic capabilities of F15E and EF2k, but also it is just more consistent in terms of kinetics. I haven’t played a load of games, 10 maybe 12, but I didn’t feel it is any different mid to short range compared to R77 or PL12. MICA is obviously a different story.
You had a slur in the post.
i think that if anyone fails to notch an amraam then they just dont know how to notch
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You openly preach against US/NATO players most of the time, yet you always see yourself “advocating for all nations”. Something doesn’t fit there.
It takes you way more posts to ‘point out’ redfor players than blufor, to the point most of the redfor you point at are basically obvious engagement trolls —even for redfor players themselves— like Scorpions, so that argument of yours is as valid as wet paper.
Cute euphemism to disclaim any liability from the names you take. Also, the moment you have to start explaining why are you using X or Y username to ‘satirize’ instead of ‘make fun of’ is a very blurry line, given your narratives and activity.
Given the previous point, harping on them is a reminder of who we (everyone) are talking with.
I’m still waiting for a ‘satire’ name for WW2 German mains, USSR cold war mains or Chinese/French dudes (we’ll never get one because this guy’s argument is shortsighted and pretentious).
You just contradicted yourself…
No, I don’t. Especially not “nato”. I have only ever spoke negatively of USA generally on this forum like this, and it’s because of the USA’s giant playerbase compared to every other nation (even if you combine all other 9 nations in air, I don’t think they outnumber the USA population) and their love to complain about everything unnecessarily…
That said… I also have rank 8 USA in both air/ground and actively play it, AND advocate for positive change when it MAKES SENSE to.
What? “point out”?
I don’t see how this is true? You are just a fan of me I guess? I call out literally any nonsense I see… and there are quite a few USSR players on this forum that complain too much about too much stuff, they are the 2nd biggest complaint group. Germany get’s a far third.
Liability? For what? Also, I think I know why I pick my own names just as you know why you pick yours.
You sound unhinged. Why are you so obsessed? It’s not true anyway.
“if he doesn’t make fun of LITERALLY EVERYBODY then he’s uhh, bigoted or something! idk”
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well, you discussed with a brit main in this very post, and went completely aggro with him out of a simple opinion. You can fool yourself as many times as you want.
Quite a vague argument for a hyperfixation on a single nation.
That said, i also have rank VIII on the US/USSR/GER, same as Morvran with rank VIII with GB on Ground/Air and top tier Naval. ICYMI you’re in the game’s forums, a place where you’ll meet people w decent amounts of experience in-game, with their own views and perceptions, not rookies with barely any playtime after tutorials that can easily be fooled.
You like to point out people with an overly high bias towards nations, yet your sense of ‘neutrality’ is way more sharpened towards blufor rather than redfor, and i can happily prove it to anyone that wants such proof via PM.
i can happily prove it to anyone that wants such proof via PM.
Yet you can stop anytime against any other NATO besides the proper US players to dismiss their claims in your harsh and hasty ways.
You have a rep for being neutral and calling out biases ain’t it? What’s the point of saying ‘i appeal for everyone’ if your word is no more than the classic Scorpions or Hora11 spreading propaganda when it comes to call out just one spectrum of players and leaving the others spread their own biases?
Stop projecting your own narrative issues with my person.
Showing that you have a fixation for some playerbases is an obsession? I think not, it’s more of a warning to people to stay away from you, like social distancing, but only around you.
I knew you wouldn’t have the guts to mock everyone anyway— your inner biases gets the better of you.
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No, it isn’t. Lmao. There is no evidence to say otherwise.
So do it in my PM.
I don’t do this so I sleep soundly at night.
What? You are unhinged.
There’s no point in such if your exchange will have the same agressive and worthless tone of yours as usual.
Throughout history, there were many infamous leaders that could sleep soundly at night. Is that an argument chat?
I already bet you got that phrase tattooed somewhere, otherwise you just sound crazy repeating it on loop.
If it’s true it is… you have some weird fetish/obsession. I don’t do hardly any of the things you say.
It should have smoked AMRAAM-A/B and it isn’t. The first statement refers to IRL, the second to ingame.
As it should be. single pulse + lattice fin remember? it shouldnt be irl either btw. they r77-1 and amraams are pretty close spec wise as far as we know. now both missiles are underperfoming in multiple ways but that par the course of war thunder id argue right now amraam is the least realistic of the two(mostly related to its ability to maneuver)
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Lattice fins have way higher drag than IRL. The single pulse has way more power than AMRAAM rocket, after all AMRAAM is 180mm diameter.
Yes to C5. Not A.
not so simple again you can check back to the r77 thread it has been debated to death its a gross semplification.
if we go by specs claimed max range is around 90km, ive also seen a cockpit image of the hud of a su30 i think with 90 km as the roof, so its fair to assume thats achievable although im not sure of the legitimacy of said picture(also seen 70 kilometers in a different picture), and whilst yes thats also the claimed range for c-5 in practice it can well outdo that as it has been seen before(in general american range claims on munition tend to be inaccurate) and gain the r77 as a design makes concession.
single pulse is inherently worse for medium long range against maneuvering targets its simply how it is.
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needs nerf already