Hello everyone, we want the Beglietpanzer 57 tank to be at BR 10.3 - 10.7 because it has high mobility like the BMD 4M, which costs 60 bucks and has more damage than the same BMD 4M and other light tanks of this type.
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+1 move that thing the hell away from 60s tanks
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I think it should probably be 10.0, but if it moves up, two things need to happen.
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The 2S38 and BMP-2M must go up to 11.0.
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The Begleit, which lacks tracking for its Proximity, should receive its historical APFSDS round to make it more in line with other balanced vehicles at that BR, such as the Swedish Strf IFV.
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Did they remove its proxy shells?
nah, idk what that guy is talking about
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You do know if it gets its apfsds its gonna need to go above 11.0 yeah? Faster fire rate and more mobile than the 2S38 and the 9040’s with a 48 round ready rack. To say balanced like the 9040’s kinda tells me you’ve no clue what you’re talking about.
Im all for the Begleitpanzer to be 11.7 with its correct 850hp engine, LWS, APFSDS since the vehicle was a joint project with swedish Bofors and Germany. Its a very cool vehicle that should be accurate but im not dumb to ignore that the Begleitpanzer with only APFSDS would become a more dangerous vehicle than even the 2S38.
So just to summarize you want it to lose proximity or you just forgot it had HE-VT. You want it to get 200mm pen (estimate) apfsds. With a Tow I missile launcher. Decent mobility and a 48 round ready rack with a .3s rate of fire. All at 10.0, vs the 9040C which has side and rear spall liners a 24 round ready rack, 300rpm with only 170mm pen with less spall and no missile, at 10.3 brother if you’re somewhat trying to show a favorite nation or lack of knowledge on a vehicle you could try and use some critical thinking skills for the can of worms that you want to open at 10.0
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Begleitpanzer 57 doesn’t need a battle rating change in my opinion, is a very potent vehicle that can easily engage targets just like others autocannons but ground needs decompression, this is a topic people little looks about but prefer complaining about one single vehicle as if that one single vehicle is the root of the entire problem.
@Pheonix_RX01 I agree that Begleitpanzer 57 would need a rebalance and a battle rating change if those changes were added but, the APDS-FS ammunition was used on it, far from what I know, it’s only mentioned in a document regarding the vehicle, and in the same document little is spoken about the said APDS-FS ammunition.
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Ok I don’t mind tbh. It shall receive what it got in reality to be as relastic as possible.
Id agree the Begleitpanzer should stay 9.3 as is if vehicles as a whole get changed. You can’t seriously look at the Badger or the CV9030 and tell me that Russias BMP’s suffer more and need to be a lower BR than them or even that they need to be the same BR or close as in .3BR to the Begleitpanzer. Decompression is a nice thought but its more likely that even with Decompression vehicles that are already terrible for their BR will stay as is because gaijin overlooks IFV’s 90% of the time for proper placements.
For the time id rather the Begleitpanzer (amd a few others) go up where it wont be a sealclubber like it is now until gaijin decides to fix the placement of other similar vehicles as 9.x is one of the most compressed areas for IFV’s
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then if they raise the automatic I’ll bring it to 10.3
no gaijin should give him his apds and put it in 10.0
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2S38 to 11.0 and Begel to 10.7.
Neither should be a 10.3 the fact that the two best guns against aircraft at their BR’s are both light tanks is criminal.
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It is. And still one has a crewless turret, 57 mm apfsds, irst track and lead (for the proxy shells), gen 3 thermals and ess. and the other has none of those. i leave it to you to guess which is which.
But i agree, the bagel is still very strong. But the tows srsly? (not u but other people mentioning them) those useless missiles are just there so you stand still, take 4 seconds praying they dont dip into something and all that time sitting still doesnt get you killed. better to play like you dont have them flank and only use them when theres no other way to retreat and youre getting pushed by something with too much armor
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Don’t get me wrong they are mediocre past 10.0 but id rather have them than not have them, again as it currently stands the Begleitpanzer could move in BR and barely be affected
We need decompression but its highly unlikely.
The missiles main advantage is a weapon to try and punch through armor thats approaching you. Id rather have that than be the same BR as the Begleitpanzer and not have it while having less pen overall.
Who is up voting this? It’s fine at 9.3.
The BMD-4M is undertiered at 9.3 though.
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- .3s reload is 200rpm- slower, not faster than the 9040
- The Bagel also has quite a bit less protection
- No target tracking which reduces its antiair capabilities to nearly the level of the 8.0 WZ305
- I-TOW which is a pretty terrible ATGM at 9.3, literally useless at 10.0 (it’s the stock Pvrbv 551 missile if you want to try using that at 10.0). Better than nothing but worse than the TOW-2B the BILL gets.
- 1st gen gunner thermals no commander thermals
- Less HP/tonne than the BILL
- Not 200mm penetration but 103mm at 0m 60deg (206mm LoS), roughly 178mm est. flat point blank pen (using 2S38 0vs60deg pen as a comparison)
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Id be interested in any source from Bofors for the 57mm but ive never seen anything. Regardless we’re realistically talking about a faster more aggressive BILL without the problem of rear engine hump blocking your shots or you know, the BILL not having a stabilizer. Also it hasn’t been that long since i played my Begleitpanzer since its still on my 12.0 German lineup, but tbf i still take the 2K since its my favorite Leo. (When 20mm therms gaijin, it had them) Regardless a fully historical Begleitpanzer wouod be one of the best if not the best aggressive IFV’s as its smaller and more nimble than the current contending IFV’s while now having air tracking, APFSDS, and a LWS, not to mention it having its correct 850hp engine.
Its still going to be the best IFV for its shear aggressive playstyle imo, at least thats how i play it lol.
Also i used 200mm as my estimate as Bofors makes the Er well made the CV9040’s ammo which has a pen of 170mm for a 40mm, its not too hard to believe they cpuld make a 57mm have far more pen. We could use the CV90 MK.IV 50mm as a comparison additionally but i digress
From the bug report (rejected because only the Bofors is mentioned and not the Begleit specifically, though there’s plenty of vehicles nowadays with ammo they never used, and also APSFDS is mentioned for the Begleit specifically)
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Ive never seem this sheet interesting
I meant tracking lmao. I’m sick.
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