My point is you can cheat your paying customers only so much and so often before they take offence and stop paying.I know I am not the only player frustrated by this.
Oh okay. Yeah, kinda sad about m551(76)
I didn’t buy any premiums, except for ground 10.0, the pack gave me enough to have brought the B25J for soviet, but it is trash, it can bomb no more than 1 base, and it flies at 400km/h which allows you to be bullied by any fighter. This is crap, I suggest that since the B25 has similar turn radius and payload with wyvern, how is 0.3 BR 200km/h speed difference, 5 12.7 turned into 4 20mm. This is not fair, at least 5.0 since that is where it sometimes struggle to bomb a single base with 3 1000lbs.
It was 4.7 when I bought it, in a game with information about BRs changing at regular intervals, so I don’t think when it went down all them years ago they expected me to pay for the reduction (in this case we all know why the “stats” influence a under tiered BR placement) so I doubt they will pay you for mis-selling anything. Nice try though!
So the Wyvern should be higher as is too strong at current BR for a Strike Plane (That is a good interceptor with speed to run away).
However, the “problem” of spam will never be solved due to not being able to limit certain vehicles (just types, so limiting to a low number of Strikers would screw all other users of Strikers, in non–Wyvern matches especially). Just like the Ju288 spam it will always wreck a certain bracket as they are essentially SL/RP printing machines for spamming the PvE elements of the maps and they promote very basic use (run and drop and quit), the Ju288 creating the 6 v 6 4 x bombers/2 fighters? v 6 fighters matches (not fun for all, not always the right players/vehicles to challenge) and the Wyvern creating the huge deadweight of strikers going for bases and not much else (allied bombers being delayed waiting for respawns).
The Do 355 B2 sits at 5.7 however and appears to be at a much more reasonable BR, yet still a pain for enemy bombers and matches with AI planes effecting ticket bleed.
While Wyvern is definitely a royal PITA (just like XP-50 - yeah Fw 190 D9 can just run away from him - and throw away one of the main advantages - good climb), the true issue is your deliberate choice of using planes that are basically useless.
You are not helping your team, you are not supporting their effort. You play only for yourself in a goddamn team game.
And that’s your main problem.
Bombers are not suited for Air RB. Just like shotguns are not suited for long range combat. Not every plane is or can be viable. And there’s nothing wrong with that, you just have to learn to accept that bombers simply can’t be balanced in Air RB, and their current standing is: mostly useless, space climbing/AF camping source of random deaths due to 3-plane stabilized gunners with infinite ammo.
I hate bombers.
And even bomber players don’t enjoy bomber gameplay.
So why are you doing this?
Edit: Also Wyvern to 4.7 please. I have 80% WR in this monstrosity and I’m mostly flying straight and firing at anything I can get my guns on, 0 depth/strateg6 to such gameplay, yet it works.
I have that B25, it prints SL and all B25’s are great bombers.
What was you expecting from a B25 when you bought it?
Problem being as usual:
This is a non-competitive mode that you can be competitive in.
The game is based around unlocking and modifying increasingly “better” aircraft.
So are people in each match playing for:
Fun
Grinding
Spading
Tasks
Stats
Competitive PvP action in a mode with many PvE elements/possibilities.
Team play (random or not)
[any more you can think of]
Basically if you are a collector/spader (as valid as any other niche in WT) how can you research/try out said “poor choice” vehicles otherwise? We are all in the same modes for differing, but all valid, reasons.
So the “winning/playing for your team” is defied by the fact al types of planes exist and people are encouraged to access this game in many different ways (as above).
These issues will always exist as inherent with how the system of obtaining aircraft (or any vehicle) works and the people it attracts due to lack of any other game with this “ease” of use.
(edit: I am not countering your position, but really pointing out this game allows for many differing and contradictory positions).
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And just remember, you are a highly skilled player at a relatively low BR (which is why I liked AirRB… no pearl clutching with people playing as they like).
Totally agree however, as bought at 4.7 and though poor with it over the years I know it could exist there with no issue, other than never be able to stop the “spam” issue of base rushing and leaving.
In a team game the only valid reasons are supporting the team. You are intentionaly making your team lose in B25, because even the best B25 user will get eaten alive by any semi-competent fighter played. The only chance of B25 is getting massively underestinated and baiting the fighter to stall behind him to hose him down with infinite ammo 3-plane stabilized gunnars.
Your team has the right to complain. You don’t.
The “grindfest” mentality is what’s killing this game.
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However that only focuses on one of the many valid player types, as I edited above:
“(edit: I am not countering your position, but really pointing out this game allows for many differing and contradictory positions).”
And I am not just focusing on the “grindfest” but the undeniable fact of how the “progress” in the game is designed and how people approach this differently. The goal to win is not relevant for those having “fun”. Spading/Collecting is not a grindfest but a very slow way to get through the game, yet just as acceptable in the game as any other type of player.
(sorry, more there as bad habit of not finishing)
If bombers are so bad then Gaijin should remove them for being a pitfall in PvP AirRB, but then maybe PvP AirRB is not the only way Gaijin want the mode approached. For the most part watching 16 v 16s where the vast majority just bundle in low and furball like melons I don’t think players are generally with the mindset of “In a team game the only valid reasons are supporting the team”; most pilots are there for non-team related goals.
(I purely play all bombers unlocked until spaded and never touched again until maybe a new upgrade, the completion was my goal, and of course getting there in as enjoyable way as possible).
FMT3 would like a word with you.
In other words, those having “fun” are egoistically and deliberately working against their team. There’s a good word to describe such people, and it ends with “holes” (in your left wing).
Gaijin shouldn’t remove anything. Just like there should always be an option to run a knife + glock in late rounds in CS GO. Because if someone wants to be useless - so be it. But lets not act like such people deserve their opinions to be heard, since they are making the game difficult for themselves.
You mean that AF camping mediocre-performing joke of a player? :D
There are good bomber players, f.e. Hitman who deliberately engaged my Do-335 in B-17 and almost took me out (I don’t usually manage 1000+m snipes vs targets performing complex maneuvers, but I got lucky).
Fmt guy is not worth talking about.
Well I am not gatekeeping the game just for one type of player in a game obviously dedicated to keep this game/mode as wide as possible. You appear to be however, but I am not against how YOU approach the game.
(and no, not defending actions of said player)
Sadly you cannot accept the game is not just for players like yourself. I do however, regardless of my own position. And yes, others with “their” playstyles trying to negatively effect other styles to solely benefit their own is not good, but that is not what I was saying.
To believe most are not just playing in this “fun but disengaged” manner is almost naive. Most of the “easy targets” will come from that pool of player, especially when us with many thousand hours of playtime meet learning players at low BRs like this (which as I said before I have no issue with as players should have this freedom off vehicle selection).
However the game is not for Try Harding only (and yes contradicted by the fact position of vehicle is determined in part by overall use, but that is just another issue in this “grind” game (as in you can’t get to vehicles without time or money grinding; it is how the whole game is setup for making money).
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Complex manoeuvres …
B17 . . . .
It’s a team game, which is something beyond the grasp of narcissistic egoistis trying to exploit their team and ruin everyone’s fun.
Within team game many playstyles are possible. Unfortunately being a malicious, useless troll is not punishable, but such is nature of every team game - some guys work so their team is having fun and winning. Others care onoy about themselves and should be playing a solo game, but they enjoy ruining others’ effort.
Being succesful and having fun in a team game requires minimal effort as long, as you’re not facing an organised squad. That’s still way too much for avg bomber/attacker scrub.
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Yes. A game of teams.
No need to be rude about people not here.
I presume you are being specific to a person/type.
Yes you have bias, I am aware. However the avg bomber/attacker scrub is the same as the avg fighter scrub; In huge numbers and just as “useless” as one another in the team game. In fact probably, overall, a lot more scrubs using their fighters and playing solo not thinking of team.
Just bear in mind I agree with you on team to a point, just I am aware the game is not for one style and those other styles are not inherently “selfish” (and all the rest you threw out). But yes, plonkers and selfish players with that as an intention DO exist, not denying that.
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The wyvern is fine where its is. Whether the plane runs riot or gets shot down in seconds is purely up to the opposition as and an owner of a Wythern I can say that it certainly can go either way.
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Mike Tyson’s own version. (verthion)
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My spell check was most insistent sorry