@El_Tigr3
So your argument is now that artillery are one-trick ponies, which I’ve been arguing this entire time.
And you claim that take is “not knowing what one is talking about” and “disingenuous”. You’re calling your own post “disingenuous”.
@Get_HeshED
T-55AM1 isn’t even a top 5 8.7, it’s good, and there are 5 - 10+ 8.7s that are better than it, and howitzers are not OP things.
No, my argument is not that artillery is a one trick pony, My comment clearly stated that KV2 and SU-152 are a one trick pony, specifically those 2, but you chose to ignore it and instead change the entire narrative
That’s why I’m calling you disingenuous
@El_Tigr3
Except they’re more versatile than non-armored howitzers due to being armored.
SU-152 and Brummbar can be part of the front line, M44, Sholef, 15cm slG [despite its reload], and the 7.7s cannot. They lack the armor needed and are exclusively support vehicles.
Not only that but you have no experience in howitzers and little experience defeating them.
Most people here have hundreds of hours in and defeating howitzers.
The more your posts claim sincerity is bad, the more you admit everyone else is correct.
If they give the vehicle its spall liner and thermals, then I’d love to see it go up.
Also, still irked that the Sholef remains horrifically incorrect
You’re wrong here.
I don’t think many 7.7s can go 60km/h forwards and in reverse with 17.3 HP/t.
That 5s reload is also amazing for 7.7 and you’ll also aim for mostly the same part of all tanks in order to kill them, their turret cheeks.
PzH2k could definitely go to 8.0.
There “aren’t many” 13HP/t tanks at 4.0 either.
As for ~7.7 with around 17.3HP/t [obviously significantly better is included]: Leopard 1, Marder, AMX-13-90, IKV-91, VIDAR, AMX-30, AMX-50, Lorraine, AMX-50 Fosh, AuF-1, Sholef, OF-40, Type 69, ZTS63, Type 99, M47, Ho-Ri Production, Object 906, Batchat, TO-55…
And the 8.0s are firing better rounds, and many having laser range finders of their own.
PzH2000 is fine where it is, and I’m saying that as someone that exclusively fights it AFTER making sure that it’s balanced in-case I had biases one way or another.
A cross-analysis does wonders.
I highly recommend playing the PzH2000 or acknowledging your Type 99 record as being equivalent before being certain of your opinion.
Cause while a LRF increases consistency, for experienced players it’s closer to a marginal increase than a complete increase; and it doesn’t stop enemy tanks from moving right before/after shooting making you miss the shot.
The T55AM 1 is Russian bias easy mode personified.
You really notice this when you mainly play German tanks.
I’d be happy to hear which tanks in the BR are supposed to be better. In the overall package on the maps that are played on the BR in War Thunder.
Many of those don’t even have 17.3 HP/t (TO-55, AuF1, …) and definitely don’t have 60/60km/h specified.
Most of those you mentioned don’t have a LRF, just like most 8.0s.
Yes, my Type 99 record shows that it can perform pretty okay at 7.7 / 8.3 while being at 7.3.
Mind you, that vehicle has worse mobility, reload speed and lacks LRF or smoke grenades.
And it wouldn’t change anything for the German lineups.
Pushing the PZH from one non-competitive BR lineup into the next non-competitive one is simply unnecessary.
The PZH even comes with me in 10.7 and reliably destroys his opponents on selected maps and I’m happy about the +7500 SL reward.
This is certainly possible on 12.7, but the large amount of reactive armor could throw a spanner in the works.
So the correct BR is probably 10.0?
This game doesn’t revolve around Germany, buddy.
There are many 6.7 lineups in the game that definitely don’t need to see this thing in full uptiers.
Calling 8.0 Germany to be non-competitive is funny.
Play these BR lineups and face reality.
I keep track of the matchmaking of my games.
8.0 no longer experiences downtiers. You play against 8.7 in 80% of your games.
8.0 Germany has a fine lineup on paper and only plays against LRF and stabilized tanks.
And on the other hand, use an unstabilized Leo without LRF and only with HEATFS, which then has to compete against LRF tanks with APDS FS in a sniper duel. It is not usable in close combat due to the non-existent armor.
And of course the two martens and the two rocket tanks.
Of course, apart from the rocket launcher, no vehicle is allowed to drive while it fires its only usable weapon.
Sorry. You simply have no idea what it’s like to play with the two lineups right now.
You have them after all. Play it again!
Same for other nations as well, so all of them are non-competitive ?
APDS is better anyways.
Sorry but I do.
SU-152 and Brummbar can be part of the front line, M44, Sholef, 15cm slG [despite its reload]
Listen, this thread is about PzH2000 and VIDAR, on the sideline, you derailed it enough
Nobody here is complaining about SU-152, M44, 15cm sIG etc being op, while personally i hate them and i believe cold war/modern artillery should have never been added, i think they are relatively balanced (except Pzh2000 and VIDAR ofc)
You have plenty of game time and you should know that armor thick enough to stop .50 cal and small autocannons and thin enough to not activate the fuse on bigger shells is meta and this is exactly what these 2 vehicles have. They are in a league of their own and cannot be compared to other SPGs in terms of survivability and firepower (short reload)
Not only that but you have no experience in howitzers and little experience defeating them.
Most people here have hundreds of hours in and defeating howitzers.
Lol, lmao even
Just shoot the turret; the bags in the back make it an easy kill.
Bags?
Propellant bags?
Mostly empty if you don’t carry a full load, which you shouldn’t anyways because you get ammo box.
Well, auto-cannons are your friend then.
XM800T is probably the best counter for that thing.
Or fox
(Counter ‘rat’ for rat)