That would make it definitely higher up than just 8.0.
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The discussion about the PZH is so stupid. Sorry. It sits on 7.7. And it wouldn’t matter if it was on any BR between 7.7 and 8.7.
There is no reasonable 7.7 lineup. So you play it on 8.0 anyway. BR 8.0 German. The hell of War Thunder, where only the absolutely desperate play. Namely those who are stuck in it during their grind.
The BR in which you are only matched against 8.7 T55 AM and lose 70% of your games.
Leave it alone. Do whatever you want with the PZH. You could just as easily add them to the 12.7 lineup to troll around a bit.
What? Germany has a great 7.7 lineup.
Maus, Pzh, Marder, Patton, IL-28/Arado for CAS
Do you need anything else?
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People are having personal issues with these unarmored 7.7s yet there are heavily armored 4.0 152mm howitzers where the only primary difference is reload and laser range finder.
Getting out-skilled doesn’t make the vehicle OP.
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And mobility.
And proxy shells.
And shell velocity.
And gun handling+turreted design.
But them negating every single advantage that armoured tanks have over them is. They need to go up in BR, mostly due to their mobility, combined with their reload and one shot potential.
It’s unreasonable that one of the fastest reloading 7.X tanks is a mobile, modern artillery vehicle that will one shot everything.
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1- Mobility relative the the vehicles around them is identical.
2- Anti-air capability doesn’t really matter.
3- Shell velocity only matters for things without laser range finders, and is a ever so slight negative more than a positive when you do have a laser range finder.
4- Which doesn’t matter cause they’re just as slow.
Then stop negating the two advantages they have over lower BR howitzers.
The only way they go up in BR is if ALL tanks 6.7 - 8.7 go up by the same amount.
“Modern artillery” is 1930s technology with a laser range finder attached, and in VIDAR’s case a thermal solution.
Again, being out-skilled doesn’t make a vehicle OP.
I guarantee if I look at anyone’s profile here, none of them have a higher KDR & KMR in howitzers than they do heavy or medium tanks.
Their bogus claims have no evidence.
They are some of the faster 7.7/8.0 tanks.
It’s still an advantage.
It still does matter.
I’m not sure what you mean by this. Having a turret with ok gun handling is such a massive upgrade over a turretless design (such as Bkan or M44)
And the modern equipment and mobilty what makes them undertiered.
What do you mean by this?
Also, what other 7.7 and 8.0 tanks (excluding stuff with autocannons) have an LRF?
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PzH 2000 has smokes, automatic gear which means 60 forward and backwards. This thing doesn’t belong to 7.7.
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@Ion_Protogen
And SU-152 is one of the faster 4.0 tanks thanks to its 600HP engine on 45 tons.
G6 has the fastest gun traverse of all howitzers, and is 6.7.
The modern equipment makes them 7.7 instead of 5.0.
To reiterate my claim: There are equivalents and superior vehicles to these howitzer vehicles around their BR.
Ikv 91, firing superior ammo with a laser rangefinder at 8.0.
Strv 103 firing superior ammo with a laser rangefinder at 8.0.
Every Patton: 7.7 with standard rangefinders firing superior ammo.
AMX-10M, 7.3 ATGM launcher.
M47 105/55, standard rangefinder firing superior ammo.
OF-40, 8.0 faster firing superior ammo with a LRF.
Type 69, 8.0 heavily armored firing superior ammo with a LRF and two plane stabilizer.
ZTS63, firing on-par ammo with a laser range finder.
M41D 8.0 with thermals firing on-par ammo with LRF.
Swingfire, 8.0 ATGM launcher firing superior ammo.
Marders, ATGM launchers.
RakJPz 2, 8.0 ATGM launcher that’s faster.
BTW you’ve yet to use any howitzer, and I have no clue if you’ve learned how to defeat light tanks cause that information isn’t available.
SwingfireOP’s literally performing identical in VIDAR, Somua, AMX-30, AMX-50 TO90… So if VIDAR is OP to SwingfireOP, so is AMX-30 and AMX-50 TO90.
SFmerc’s PzH2000 performance is identical to Maus and both are far worse than Turm III.
El_Tigr has no experience in these howitzers.
So learn how to counter lightly armored vehicles and listen to experts.
Oh, and by all means stat-check me. You’ll find that VIDAR, Sholef, AuF1, PLZ05, G6 all do not exceed my performance in medium and heavy tanks.
Oh and stats don’t tell the whole story, cross-analysis will do more than anything else.
Howitzers exist from BR 1.0 to 8.0 all firing the same ammo. All that changes is subcontexts.
Just cause I can frag an Abrams with a Sholef or M44 doesn’t make them OP.
@Byhesher Smoke is a basic functionality of tanks at 7.7. Automatic transmissions aren’t modeled in War Thunder, they’re modeled as manual transmissions still cause WT doesn’t have automatic transmission code.
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:-)
Seriously? You mean the 7.7 lineup, with which you can’t even achieve a 40% WL ratio and have a KD of 0.5?
Let’s leave it alone, huh?
Thanks for proving that Germany has a great 7.7 lineup.
The only thing missing is the artillery piece.
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You have to label your sarcasm somewhere.
Even if it is quite obvious here, you can rarely see it in the written word.
I think the one thing people forget about these howitzers is their total lack of gun depression for the most part…
Albeit, I do believe the more advanced howitzer vehicles (Pzh 2000, VIDAR, Sholef once it’s bloody fixed) should absolutely be bumped up .3-.7 BR, but the rest can pretty handily stay where they are.
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“What do you mean you don’t like one-hit-kill laser rangefinder SPGs from the 2020s with 3rd Gen thermals facing 1940s tanks??”
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And SU-152 is one of the faster 4.0 tanks thanks to its 600HP engine on 45 tons.
G6 has the fastest gun traverse of all howitzers, and is 6.7.
Lmao so disingenuous
SU-152 is a one trick pony just like the KV2, it has nothing going on for it
Saying the G6 has the fastest turret traverse is also misleading, since it can do it in a narrow cone, plus it’s a wheeled vehicles, so no neutral hull traverse like an RC car (which the PzH2000 and VIDAR get), so changing the fire direction is very sluggish
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Wishful thinking! That simply doesn’t happen. 9 out of 10 games your opponents are T55 AM 1.
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Hahah, yeah. God, I hate compression so much.
Recently I started playing 7.7. It can be very fun… until the 8.7 matches come.
What business do 1940s-1950s heavy tanks have facing fully-stabilized MBTs with composite armor and APFSDS shells!?
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This is the result of this BR area being stupidly compressed. You average 7.7 has just as little business fighting T-55AM1 as it has fighting Pzh 2000.
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And then there’s playing 8.3, where you face endless 9.3 uptiers with vehicles that are just as bad…
Game needs decompression all around, badly. AT LEAST 20.0 should be our top end by now, Ground Air and Naval.
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That’s exactly why I play the T55AM 1. Whenever I get pissed off by the matchmaker again, I take advantage of him. The T55AM 1 has an absurd win rate.
It’s really hilarious that people here are crying about a howitzer that can only shoot what’s in front of its lens, while a T55 AM1 and its non-premium variant from 7.7 to 9.3 dominates the games.
WOW. A tank that is not a total casualty in the Germans’ BR 7.7. Reminds me of the Leo 2A7. As soon as something isn’t below average or terrible, everyone here cries.
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