You don’t make sense at all SMT and MF are 10.3 and seems no one cry about them as well
10.3 you can go vs 11.3
Su-39 2xR73 2x R-60M yes R73!!!
Su22M3 and M4 with 6xR-60M they are 11BR
Mig23M yes is 11BR
Mig21Bis 11BR 6x R60M
Mig27 M and K 4xR60M 11BR
Su25BM R73 and R60M
Su24M 4xR60M
that’s 11 and 11.3 from one Nation with all aspects some of them have are 11 BR not even 11.3 with IRCCM missile and SU-39 with Countermessures that prevent missiles to hit Jamming
This is only USSR don’t make me write all the nations because more times you are uptiered that down tiered saying XS in pair with F5C is understatement F5C wipe the floor with XS another think is stats in papers and another in game XS delta wings are nerfed as hell in the game F-5C ,Mig-19s , Q5s energy trap XS for fun
Stop whining about XS if you don’t have clue about it try to Unlock Draken and play it then come and say his need higher BR.
i find this thread funny because the mig21s is completely busted too, 10.3 airframe at 9.7, no one, and i mean NO ONE at this BR can touch you, and you can easily evade missiles if youre careful with your positioning, ofc very few people play it well and it has mediocre missiles so its not as “in your face” as the j35xs i guess.
Are you actually talking about the Mig21 R-13-300?
cause that for 9.7 is quite an easy plane to beat.
I mean if the person just runs like an F104 can then ofc you wont touch it, but they also have next to no game impact doing that.
It may accelerate faster in a straight line but its also a flying air brake, as all mig21s are, It is quite balanced at 9.7-
So does the F104 yet it sat at 9.3 for god knows how long (before nerfs) and dominated entire lobbies.
Neither the F8E or U can go much faster than mach 1.05 in my experience with them.
they are good though. but cant catch a mig21 thats going full pelt.
So you claim the mig21S is a 10.7 FM, the SMT is a 10.7 Fm which has a better engine and such.
thus the Mig21S is likely 10.0 or 10.3 however it has no CMs.
How I cant get a general basis on how a weaker engined mig21 works ?(like the chiense J7 at 9.0ish area)
Also a caveat if you respond to me saying this
“I have played against it in the likes of hte swift F7 and been okay.”
with this response
"No, you haven’t. . Stop comparing jets based on your personal biases collected through facing PLAYERS (see: NOT jets, players.) "
that means you are telling me I was infact not okay facing off against the mig21S in the swift F7.
to boot,
Wtf does this even mean
i reckon you need to take a chill pill and come back relaxed and formulate a proper sentence.
So let me see here.
I say this “through playing mutliple various Mig21s as well.”
and you tell me " Not how that works"
And my rebutle to that is.
“II’ve seen you comparing stuff in the past without having used it so lets not get ahead of ourselves here”
Is literally true, you have compared stuff on other threads without having touched them yet here say I am not allowed to?
Bit hypocritical mate.
As well as that, the mig21S is really not a 10.7 FM at all.
its max a 10.3 even that is pushing it massively.
Its got weaker engines than 10.3 mig21s. (which should be 10.7)
and has a pathetic choice of armerment as well as no counter measures.
The SMT is currently 10.3. All I was/am saying here is that the 21S is of the 21MF/21SMT tier of capability (very similar to 21MF) rather than anywhere close to the lower tier MiGs FM.
Because unless you’ve flown 21SMT/MF or 21S, they fly differently from the rest.
What I am saying is your personal experiences don’t matter EVEN a tiny bit when you are trying to compare jets. ONLY the jets matter. You CANNOT cite what the average random player does in any given vehicle as your source as for why X thing is good or Y thing is bad.
You ASSUMED like three times what I was talking about without actually reading OR, if you were unsure, asking. You are 0 for 3.
You are still doing it. Completely in another zip code from the meeting.
Im saying here the SMT should be 10.7 realistically it is a 10.7 plane the fact its 10.3 is pretty bogus.
in which I agreed and mentioned compression above.
i have flown them Ive flown what is considered the bad mig21 platforms and the good ones.
Never disputed that though.
What are you on about 0 for 3 mate xD its a forum for discussing its not a debate parlour in which im that invested I merely do not understand what tf youre on about.
Hardly at all, you’re telling me I cannot compare the mig21S through my experiences in multiple mig platforms as well as implying that through not using hte mig21S specifically I cant remark on it.
when on other topics ive seen you do the exact same thing.