Agree with that
Skill issue. The MiG-23 is invincible against IR missiles lacking IRCCM.
“skill issue” as I state I do better with the objectively worse platform.
Not at all, that dude just did a bad launch man, rather than launch it rear aspect he did top down, so your flare instantly caught the seeker head of the 9L as you engine moved out of it.
Also why are you replying to a comment from the 25th of april, in 2025 xd
you can out run a R60 standard cause its a short range missile and you can kinematically dodge the AIM 9D cause its caged and only 18G AIM 9J is the hardest to dodge and it gets six while rest carry 4 and it goes super fast and far
not saying the MF and F8 are bad love them they should move up but objectively the J35XS has most kill potential of all of them
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Eh… 9Ls usually choose flares over what they were fired at. Especailly large calibre flares.
72 Large Calibre flares at that BR does make you pretty immune to anything without IRCCM, even if you are sat on full reheat. Ive think ive seen a 9L go for a reheat target over a flare once in the past few years. And if you just throttle down… that even goes out the window.
So Id actually concur, with his statement.
Mig-23s are probably impossible to kill with an IR Missile if you see the missile coming.
Though not necessarily exclusive to the Mig-23, by the same track record. Id also give the Tornados at the same BR a similar level of IR resistance, though 56 double drop, doesnt give you many chances. vs I think the 72 single fire?
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You realise if you fire a 9L directly up the tail pipe while they do not cut afterburner it will still go for the plane yeah? even with the Large calibers most the time.
It’s why you’re supposed to change direction as you pop flares.
Not as strong as they used to be but still good missiles.
If you fire it, from a rear aspect, it will usually go for the reheat than the flare.
9Ls aren’t like they used to be but still will do it.
That 9L was fired from a top down aspect, as soon as he flared it ofc was going to go for the flare.
every plane is impossible to kill with an IR missle if they see it coming man, they over buffed flares to all mighty hell.
yeah 72 but you still take chaff so you’ve only got 30 something pops.
No it very much is. Every non-irccm missile is a 1 flare.
This would be a skill issue on the MiG-23’s part for not knowing how to flare a missile
Which is like , every IR missile ever ?
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That’s my point, if the aim9L is fired from rear aspect on a fully reheating mig23ML, a flare wont stop it.
If the dude turns and flares, as I said it’ll obviously miss.
I did also say as well to morvran flares are overbuffed as it is too.
I mean, every IR missile, even IRCCM are pretty terrible right now if the person actually looks and flares.
Besides dudes telling me skill issue to a post from april last year when I hadn’t even spaded the 23MLD
MIG23 can still 1 tape AIM9L while maintain full afterburn, you dont know that so i said skill issue.
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Not full rear aspect if the plane flies in a straight line.
It’s not a guaruntee that it’ll flare off.
Mr super skill should know that. Like I said, twice now, if you pull any angle or actually try to flare it off properly. Then ofc it’ll flare off, they buffed the life out of flares.
hell in that video you shared, a missile hits you for flying straight with full reheat on.
So rather bounce in here trying to insult me. Go read what I said first.
NEVER !!! my brother, NEVER !!!
Nope, MIG 23 in video didn’t flare the seconds one at all, so that hit, just show out MIG23 damage model was bug.
You keep yapping about reheat and everything while the MiG-23’s engine doesn’t even run hot in afterburner, and it uses large-caliber flares, which makes it immune to any in-game heat seeker without IRCCM with just a single flare drop at all aspects.
Most. Depends on the aircraft.
Harrier for example at very low airspeed. Good luck flaring anything
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When its as bad in a uptiers as its good in a down then its as balanced as the game allows.
Yeah cause it a harrier ? Bro can’t be this desperate. All IR AAM in the game can easily be defeated. Just because you bought up one jet that somewhat standout doesn’t change anything.
Dude, there is no need to be an ass.
You specifically stated this. Which is not true. There are edge cases, certain hot aircraft that are substantially harder to defeat an IR missile than others. Or those that are dependent on BOL
Also certain IR missiles are harder to defeat than others. MAA-1 for example, is fast enough that it quite often ignores flares when fired at shorter ranges. R-24T I beleive also has a narrower FoV than most, that missile you need to be careful when defending against. Some of the rear-aspect IRs like the Aim-9G, when fired at shorter ranges can ignore flares if the target is sat on reheat.
You were wrong, dont get angry about it.