ngl this reminds me of when people say the f5C should be 10.3 again 😂
The planes a banger rhe issue is folks arent good at using it.
I direct you to then mig23M the 11.0, it sees planes with up to 6 SARHs and has 12 CMs and it is absolutely fine.
The draken at 10.7 would be and is fine at 10.7 providing you dont just fly straight into the match like a monkeyb
Literally nobody plays the MiG-23M’s though. Play 100 matches you won’t even see 1.
Could say that for most TT vehicles as the premium spam is normally 80% of a lobby every match
See me in it mate!
Irregardless of that, it doesn’t change the point that the mig23M at 11.0 does fine, also technically speaking rn it sits in a far nicer bracket as it sees downtiers more often than not, well that was before the sales rn.
Its vile at this point man
all american sarh missiles when you barrel roll
lol truth, le aim7M when i fly over a small hill:
The number of people complaining about the J35XS being abyssmal here make me feel like I’m taking crazy pills. I used the J35D to grind out that entire tier of Swedish air (back when it was 10.3), and I still managed a 1.6 KD in it. This is despite having two less missiles and no countermeasures. Or, as I did, you ascrifice a missile for a rocket pod to act as pseudoflares, giving you exactly half the missile load in exchange for flares that don’t work at supersonic speeds.
Yeah, it bleeds all it’s speed in turns. It’s a delta, they do that. Which is why you don’t fully commit into a turn unless you know you’ll win the fight in one turn and no-one else is going to jump you in the mean time. Instead, you charge at a furball, use your exceptional AoA to snipe someone, then extend away. Something that you can do safely due to having countermeasures, unlike most other deltas at this tier.
And if you get a downtier, it’s just cruel. 9Js aren’t the strongest missile at the tier, but they’re completely competant and borderline impossible to avoid so long as the plane that fired it did so from a somewhat reasonable position. And no other plane near this BR range gets so many. Most cap out at four, and some only have two. You only see the 6 high G missile loadout at 11.0 plus.
MIG-23M/MF are terrible and not fine in air RB. They are some of the worst jets in the game.
F-4E
Uh huh, why’s that?
cause using the mig23M at 11.0 was an absolute breeze
Infact even your KD proves that the mig23M is a good 11.0 mate xD you’ve a better KD with it than the mig23MLD, the mig23Ms main advantage is it sits at a substantially lower BR than the MLD.
Don’t act like its not good for its BR
You’ve actually not stated , as per usual , :
What about it
Terrible flight models, terrible missiles beyond R-60Ms which are literally your strongest missiles and they aren’t special at 11.0. 12 CM count total. Requirement to micro-manage wing sweep to have anywhere close to effective dogfighting capability or overall agility in general. Radar has the same issue as ML+ series where you have to do specific things to get MTI to engage.
Overall plane has zero niche besides being pretty fast for 11.0 and having all aspects which is true for MiG-21bis, a better plane, as well.
How would you even know this when you just got done telling me earlier that you can’t find my ign?
Personal stats also don’t work like this. You would be hard pressed to find ANY plane I did poorly in.
Gee I wonder if there are different metas I played both in? I wonder if any of that context matters regarding stats? Naaaaaaah we’ll just glance at them and assume a 100 things.
It’s not, it’s so bad I was forced to play it in sim to have ANY enjoyment when I spaded the Italian 23MF
You mean like how you stated it was GOOD without ANY reason why as well? I’m sure you don’t find this hypocritical.
6x All-aspect IR missiles, on a decently fast fighter at 11.0 isnt special?
Well, I suppose you also have the Mig-21, Su-17 and Su-22, etc, but outside of redfor nations, Supersonic aircraft dont get more than 2 all-aspect IRs until 11.7.
Correct. R-60Ms are not special at 11.0. They are just OK missiles. Being all aspect mostly just opens up the possibility of easier locks for R-60Ms. They are not incredible missiles. You are aware of this yet you bother me with these questions for some reason.
Correct, because the R-60M is SO FAR BELOW every other all aspect that it gets introduced earlier for FAIRNESS.
its RWR supports J band (mig23 radar band)
ok?
Because I decided to go and find it.
You irked me enough to make me waste my time on it.
And yet you do better with it than the MLD.
The mig23M isn’t that terrible at all, while i do agree you have to micro manage the wingsweep, you can set it to 75-85 and maintain relatively strong capability along with speed.
The r23rs while.not great, are still useful, unlike say a matra530F which is near useless.
I’ve already stated on various threads what the advantages and disadvantages of mig23M and the planes in general.
For 11.0 it is good, if it was 11.3 then it would be ruined completely, it’s saving grace as I’ve said is the fact it’s sitting at 11.0.
You acr as if the metas have shifted dramatically.
Alright then since i just spaded both pf them about 2 weeks ago, the mig23M ill tell you, that for capability to BR the mig23M sits in a nicer, easier area.
The MLD is constantly sucked into 12.3 and 12.7 matches against the likes of F16s , mig29s f18s etc.
Its in a worse spot than its every been.
Personal stats dont work like what sorry?
You were going on about how your top 3 percentile on a different thread , now saying your stats cant be used as a justification?
The fact is ,you are better with a worse plane due to its BR being lower.
The same as me actually, i do alright in most my planes too, tryijg to keep them at minimum at 1.0kd so its not as if im here with a few hundred matches.
Hell actually i think I’ve played more rank 7s and 8s than you but that may be ground.
How? The aim9L is introduced at 10.3 with thr a10
The R60M I believe is 10.3 introduction as well no?
Dont get me wrong it’s worse than a 9L but its still introduced the same BR bracket, it’s more usuable on the mig23M though due to being able to keep the floggers speed up giving it a better launch - hit chance.
Like the R60Ms on the mig 29 feel better due to the better launch platform.
I will never understand why people have started think that just because something like the a10 at 10.3 getting aim9L makes the aim9L a 10.3 missile, thats comparing apples and oranges
the r60m is much worse than the aim9L, a competent USSR fighter (the mig21bis) gets 6 r60m at 11.0, whereas a competent USA fighter (f16a) gets 6 aim9L at 12.3,
an pigeon, this isnt necessarily directed at you but I see this kind of sentiment all the time and its so silly
Im merely stating that both missiles are introduced at that BR bracket.
Regardless of the platform they are on.
Personally dont believe they should be that low but the sentiment is there, as are the missiles
This statement in of itself is a bit silly too.
As the reason the aim9L holder sits at 12.3 is absolutely nothing to do with tbe missiles, its the fact its the F16A arguably still on of the best planes for dogfighting and being in the mix of it, in the game.
As well as this having used r60s and aim9Ls for hundreds of battles they are asymmetrical missiles.
Aim9L has substantially higher range in effect.
However r60s will pull substantially more and are far more effective in closer range scenarios.
ARB rn is a bit of a cluster fk so both have their merits and flaws.