6x All-aspect IR missiles, on a decently fast fighter at 11.0 isnt special?
Well, I suppose you also have the Mig-21, Su-17 and Su-22, etc, but outside of redfor nations, Supersonic aircraft dont get more than 2 all-aspect IRs until 11.7.
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Correct. R-60Ms are not special at 11.0. They are just OK missiles. Being all aspect mostly just opens up the possibility of easier locks for R-60Ms. They are not incredible missiles. You are aware of this yet you bother me with these questions for some reason.
Correct, because the R-60M is SO FAR BELOW every other all aspect that it gets introduced earlier for FAIRNESS.
its RWR supports J band (mig23 radar band)
ok?
Because I decided to go and find it.
You irked me enough to make me waste my time on it.
And yet you do better with it than the MLD.
The mig23M isn’t that terrible at all, while i do agree you have to micro manage the wingsweep, you can set it to 75-85 and maintain relatively strong capability along with speed.
The r23rs while.not great, are still useful, unlike say a matra530F which is near useless.
I’ve already stated on various threads what the advantages and disadvantages of mig23M and the planes in general.
For 11.0 it is good, if it was 11.3 then it would be ruined completely, it’s saving grace as I’ve said is the fact it’s sitting at 11.0.
You acr as if the metas have shifted dramatically.
Alright then since i just spaded both pf them about 2 weeks ago, the mig23M ill tell you, that for capability to BR the mig23M sits in a nicer, easier area.
The MLD is constantly sucked into 12.3 and 12.7 matches against the likes of F16s , mig29s f18s etc.
Its in a worse spot than its every been.
Personal stats dont work like what sorry?
You were going on about how your top 3 percentile on a different thread , now saying your stats cant be used as a justification?
The fact is ,you are better with a worse plane due to its BR being lower.
The same as me actually, i do alright in most my planes too, tryijg to keep them at minimum at 1.0kd so its not as if im here with a few hundred matches.
Hell actually i think I’ve played more rank 7s and 8s than you but that may be ground.
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How? The aim9L is introduced at 10.3 with thr a10
The R60M I believe is 10.3 introduction as well no?
Dont get me wrong it’s worse than a 9L but its still introduced the same BR bracket, it’s more usuable on the mig23M though due to being able to keep the floggers speed up giving it a better launch - hit chance.
Like the R60Ms on the mig 29 feel better due to the better launch platform.
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I will never understand why people have started think that just because something like the a10 at 10.3 getting aim9L makes the aim9L a 10.3 missile, thats comparing apples and oranges
the r60m is much worse than the aim9L, a competent USSR fighter (the mig21bis) gets 6 r60m at 11.0, whereas a competent USA fighter (f16a) gets 6 aim9L at 12.3,
an pigeon, this isnt necessarily directed at you but I see this kind of sentiment all the time and its so silly
Im merely stating that both missiles are introduced at that BR bracket.
Regardless of the platform they are on.
Personally dont believe they should be that low but the sentiment is there, as are the missiles
This statement in of itself is a bit silly too.
As the reason the aim9L holder sits at 12.3 is absolutely nothing to do with tbe missiles, its the fact its the F16A arguably still on of the best planes for dogfighting and being in the mix of it, in the game.
As well as this having used r60s and aim9Ls for hundreds of battles they are asymmetrical missiles.
Aim9L has substantially higher range in effect.
However r60s will pull substantially more and are far more effective in closer range scenarios.
ARB rn is a bit of a cluster fk so both have their merits and flaws.
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I agree the probably should be that low but im not sure it would be better or worse to either put those planes higher in BR or give them worse missiles and put them lower in BR, and as you say further in your paragraph, even the platforms the missiles are on are not comparable at all, the a10 has so much worse flight performance than the su25 so having the better aim9L is what makes up for that difference, if they both had the aim9L, the su25 could probably be 0.7 br higher than the a10 still.
you say that as if the mig21bis doesnt perform well at dogfighting for it’s BR, but yes I agree so lets use something else that gets many aim9L, and performs well but isnt extraordinarily OP, JA37D, the 12.0, of course it also has the skyflashes but I personally think it performs fine, well even for its BR without them, and is similar in its dogfighting level for its BR to the mig21bis (if not a bit worse), so 6 r60m vs 6 aim9l is 1.0 br difference
yes and thank god for that, this game would be so boring if every nation got the same equipment and without the asymmetry (just ignore all the leopard 2a4)
in conclusion the missiles being introduced at the same BR means nothing
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It is easily hands down, the worst 12.0 after the F-104 S.ASA, the flight model is abysmal
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The skyflash amd PD radar are why its 12.0
Combine that with 4 is it? 9Ls then it’ll ofc be 12.0
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I didnt think it was that bad, but maybe, still it only further reinforces my point, the gap between 2 otherwise identical planes with 6 aim9L or 6 r60m is massive, at least 1.0 br difference
Hardly , the issue shows compression on a huge scale.
The f104 and aj37 are absolutely pathetic for their respective BRs easily beaten by 11.0s.
The issue is we have stuff like the f16A which has one of the Best flight performance in the game with 6x 9Ls sitting at 12.3 and an f104 barely able to keep up a single br step below.
The br these planes sit at Is absolutely nothing to do with their weapons.
However the players performance with them.
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If that is the case, than A-10A would be like 9.3 or something in air rb lol. Maybe even 8.3 tbh.
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LMAO using these two as the “start” of these missiles is funny
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I mean the a10s and su25s shouldn’t have been added at the BR they where added at.
Su25 was added at what? 9.7?
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9.3 iirc
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Absolutely ludicrous but to make sales needs must…
imagine JA37DI in 13.0
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