Tell that to them who enjoy running straight into them
The r23 is easily done , r24 bit of a pain if you arent expecting it !
9.7 will be better. It can easily be killed by those MiG-21s. It has a lack of countermeasures as well. not suitable for 10.7.
I have to confess, I told my friend to buy J35XS rather than F4S cause I though it was easier… A crime I have committed.
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Poor lad
ngl this reminds me of when people say the f5C should be 10.3 again 😂
The planes a banger rhe issue is folks arent good at using it.
I direct you to then mig23M the 11.0, it sees planes with up to 6 SARHs and has 12 CMs and it is absolutely fine.
The draken at 10.7 would be and is fine at 10.7 providing you dont just fly straight into the match like a monkeyb
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Literally nobody plays the MiG-23M’s though. Play 100 matches you won’t even see 1.
Could say that for most TT vehicles as the premium spam is normally 80% of a lobby every match
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See me in it mate!
Irregardless of that, it doesn’t change the point that the mig23M at 11.0 does fine, also technically speaking rn it sits in a far nicer bracket as it sees downtiers more often than not, well that was before the sales rn.
Its vile at this point man
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all american sarh missiles when you barrel roll
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lol truth, le aim7M when i fly over a small hill:
The number of people complaining about the J35XS being abyssmal here make me feel like I’m taking crazy pills. I used the J35D to grind out that entire tier of Swedish air (back when it was 10.3), and I still managed a 1.6 KD in it. This is despite having two less missiles and no countermeasures. Or, as I did, you ascrifice a missile for a rocket pod to act as pseudoflares, giving you exactly half the missile load in exchange for flares that don’t work at supersonic speeds.
Yeah, it bleeds all it’s speed in turns. It’s a delta, they do that. Which is why you don’t fully commit into a turn unless you know you’ll win the fight in one turn and no-one else is going to jump you in the mean time. Instead, you charge at a furball, use your exceptional AoA to snipe someone, then extend away. Something that you can do safely due to having countermeasures, unlike most other deltas at this tier.
And if you get a downtier, it’s just cruel. 9Js aren’t the strongest missile at the tier, but they’re completely competant and borderline impossible to avoid so long as the plane that fired it did so from a somewhat reasonable position. And no other plane near this BR range gets so many. Most cap out at four, and some only have two. You only see the 6 high G missile loadout at 11.0 plus.
MIG-23M/MF are terrible and not fine in air RB. They are some of the worst jets in the game.
F-4E
Uh huh, why’s that?
cause using the mig23M at 11.0 was an absolute breeze
Infact even your KD proves that the mig23M is a good 11.0 mate xD you’ve a better KD with it than the mig23MLD, the mig23Ms main advantage is it sits at a substantially lower BR than the MLD.
Don’t act like its not good for its BR
You’ve actually not stated , as per usual , :
- why its a bad plane, you just pipe up with “it’s terrible” with absolutely zero context as to why.
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What about it
Terrible flight models, terrible missiles beyond R-60Ms which are literally your strongest missiles and they aren’t special at 11.0. 12 CM count total. Requirement to micro-manage wing sweep to have anywhere close to effective dogfighting capability or overall agility in general. Radar has the same issue as ML+ series where you have to do specific things to get MTI to engage.
Overall plane has zero niche besides being pretty fast for 11.0 and having all aspects which is true for MiG-21bis, a better plane, as well.
How would you even know this when you just got done telling me earlier that you can’t find my ign?
Personal stats also don’t work like this. You would be hard pressed to find ANY plane I did poorly in.
Gee I wonder if there are different metas I played both in? I wonder if any of that context matters regarding stats? Naaaaaaah we’ll just glance at them and assume a 100 things.
It’s not, it’s so bad I was forced to play it in sim to have ANY enjoyment when I spaded the Italian 23MF
You mean like how you stated it was GOOD without ANY reason why as well? I’m sure you don’t find this hypocritical.
6x All-aspect IR missiles, on a decently fast fighter at 11.0 isnt special?
Well, I suppose you also have the Mig-21, Su-17 and Su-22, etc, but outside of redfor nations, Supersonic aircraft dont get more than 2 all-aspect IRs until 11.7.
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Correct. R-60Ms are not special at 11.0. They are just OK missiles. Being all aspect mostly just opens up the possibility of easier locks for R-60Ms. They are not incredible missiles. You are aware of this yet you bother me with these questions for some reason.
Correct, because the R-60M is SO FAR BELOW every other all aspect that it gets introduced earlier for FAIRNESS.
its RWR supports J band (mig23 radar band)