I guess it all depends on the janitor now
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Nice…
Even as a joke its still cool
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Can you send the original text without translation? I would be very grateful. =)
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@Smin1080p Do you know anything about multirole F-2 being planned as an actual multirole with some guided anti-ground munitions?
Or it will be more of an air superiority jet with just basic anti-ground stuff?
I am really concerned about this question.
I know it’s too early for it but it is the jet for JP players like F-15 for US, I think it’s reasonable to assume devs might already have some kind view on it long before it’s actually implemented.
What should we expect?
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Cant wait for the next patch to appear and have Japan get nothing or like a rubbish boat every other update… anyhow
With the addition of Fox 3 and the rather…advanced radar on all F-2s is it possible for its addition to the game in the coming months or would it be a rather too advanced addition that either needs to be gimped or needs to wait for compatible jets to be added?
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The earlier variants only used the AIM-7M as their radar option and that missile has no datalink. This option can be added pretty much any update.
The later F-2 variant with AAM-4 would be a bit too strong unless Gaijin nerfs AESA. While the AAM-4s seeker isn’t AESA, it still has datalink and could completely rely on aircraft for guidance (albeit maybe with some time delay/lag because of distance?). This is the real fear with AESA because if you can’t notch it, then you’re only option is being on the deck to avoid any teams fielding F-2s.
Granted it wouldn’t be a huge deal as people have options to fire back with their own ARHs up at F-2s and then go back to the deck, but it would be at a disadvantage. The game has also cycled through meta between AIM-54 oppression and now R-27ER, etc.
Given the focus of next update being ARH for all, the realistic option is F-15J MSIP for Japan, or a Thai F-16A/Gripen C. I’m hoping if it’s the Thai option it’s the Gripen C as that’s a very competitive airframe right now and would be unique to Japan as they already have the F-16A with the AJ. Ideally though they give us the F-15J MSIP since Japan actually used it and with the proper pilot model/no turkey feathers/etc.
F-2 early would be an option but very unlikely as they would have to really twist some realities to make it happen, but it is Gaijin so who knows. However, F-2 by December is very likely possible, maybe on one of the updates, either in September or October/November.
What IR option would the early variant have as well?
Also, if F-2 with AIM-7M doesn’t come this patch, would you then say it is likely they’re saving F-2 for later with AAM-4*?
AIM-9L and AAM-3
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As @WreckingAres283 mentioned, AIM-9L and AAM-3, though I wouldn’t be surprised if they added the AIM-9M to pad out the grind like they did on the F-15J.
It’s hard to say. I think they might treat the F-2 as a novelty to add in between when nothing big is going for other major nations. Seeing as how they split the F-15J into early and presumably late, I’d expect them to want to do the same to the F-2. There’s also the prototype variant. I also feel like they’d want to add the F-2 before Eurofighter Typhoon and Rafale as they’d probably be a step above the F-2 in terms of flight performance and armaments.
Though if they do skip to the late F-2, it also means they can add it with L-JDAMs and targetting pod so there’d be a good CAS option for Japan as well. Still, the AESA radar + ARH is a deadly combo which I don’t know how Gaijin will handle. AFAIK, even DCS doesn’t have AESA modeled?
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There would realistically be 0 noticeable delay. For there to even be a 10ms delay between information from the plane and the missile there would need to be a 3,000 KM gap. At a more realistic distance of ~200km if would only be 0.5ms :P
I do agree that if AAM4 where to be implemented it would most likely be way to powerful. It would make more sense to split it up into late / early versions with different loadouts and at different BRs when the game is ready for them.
They are closer than people think though. The Pantsir uses an AESA, and it can be seen in the sensor view how that works. The next major air additions after the June patch will likely be the F-2 and F-15C with AESAs and the Rafale and MiG-31 with PESAs, either in the fall or winter
As far as I can remember it was PESA no? It’s already rather difficult to tell if a pantsir is firing at you when it’s using IRST, with AESA it would be just as bad but they still have a full radar lock. I don’t think WT is ready for that just yet.
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Well it’s going to be the same coming this patch with TWS launched ARHs. The biggest difference between late mechanical scanned arrays and AESAs is essentially scan rates, at least as far as gameplay will be concerned. Adapt or die.
Not all planes will be able to use ARHs with TWS (hell not even every nation has a plane that can use ARHs), by the time all top tier planes do, AESA would likely already be added. But trying to force it within the year might make top tier ARB even more of a mess.
I was more referring to AESA air combat in general. We basically have little reference on what to expect on how Gaijin plans to simulate it for planes.
Honestly, it’s going to always be a mess with 16 vs 16. Until that is fixed, it’s just going to a case of luck on who survives the first encounter and then snowball effect, rarely allowing for some nuanced combat.
I’m of the opinion of throw everything in there sooner so everyone can have their cake and then work about a RB EC type deal with the, more or less, finalized aircraft roster.
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AESA radar on a jet is an ability to scan both air and ground(In case of F-2 - simultaneously, not sure about others), track 10+ targets at the same time(Imagine salvo of aim7m at different targets), air targets are not safe near the ground, can’t notch and complete silence on any RWR including if target locked.
You sure we are close? I personally don’t expect F-2 earlier then december.
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I expect it any update but least likely for next one because it’s ARH focused and Gaijin isn’t going to give Japan 2 aircraft in one update lol. Most likely the September one or October/November. December I think is going to be for the EFT and Rafale which an early F-2 variant could not really compete with.
We both know most of those things will not be modeled. The only thing we can hope for is TWS showing multiple targets on your screen as opposed to just one (the rest still being displayed in the radar display).
They will not model the ability to multi fire missiles (the F-14s we have SHOULD be able to do this already and yet it still can’t). It’s not even a balance issue, it’s a gameplay issue. How would you make keybinds for this? It would be annoying. It can’t be automatic either as that’s annoying just like in Ace Combat.
AESA will get multipathing too, do you know why? Because Gaijin already admitted that current implementation is too generous for gameplay reasons. Similarly, AESA radars will be affected and nothing will change gameplay wise with regards to just hugging the ground.
Being unnotchable I can see as it doesn’t matter if the radar missile doesn’t have an AESA seeker, however Gaijin could also add some notch limits so it’s not too oppressive. Remember this is a GAME first and historical simulation far second.
They will not be silent on RWR either because they will update all aircraft with modern RWR to pickup AESA radars (You know how the Apache and other modern RWRs can pickup the Pantsirs tracking radar, even though it’s P/AESA?).
For example, look at the Type 10. We cannot expect the F-2 to come to the game anywhere close to how it would be IRL. AESA will be nerfed and neutered because it’s not a 1 to 1 mil-sim and as mentioned before, gameplay comes first.
All I expect is an F-16C airframe that performs as well, if not better, than the Gripen (when not weighed down with a full load of SARHs) with good TWS/lock capabilities thanks to the radarset. In this meta it will be a support aircraft as it doesn’t have the sustain of the Gripen with BOL pods nor does it have the massive weaponry as the Su-27s and soon to be other ARH carriers. However, just like the nickname implies, it will outturn any other aircraft currently in the game as a proper “Zero”, at least until EFT/Rafale and maybe Gripen E come to the game.