Wdym by that? That is already the smallest scope, and notice how it populates the entire radar screen still? This happens to all esa radars
try with the f-2 ig idk
f-2’s been a buggy mess since the update dropped so i wouldnt be surprised if it didnt even get that
it has it
Wait is it 14.0?
F-2A is 13.7
If it’s just better than the 16C in most ways shouldn’t it be 14.0
F-16C is faster, accelerates better, and has HMD. Which greatly amplify its performance.
Plus all 14.0 aircraft have HMD, and are (typically) much faster than the F-2A.
How much faster? You said yourself the F-2 has much better radar and FM, that should make up for no HMD compared to 16C already. Then you have to factor in 2 extra missiles
they’re ir though, and the 16c carries 6 arh vs 4 arh of f2
better IR than 9M. 4 good IR and 4 ARH isnt a very bad loadout
The F-2A can only carry x2 Fox 2 and x2 Fox 3.
the F-16C can x6 Fox 2 or 3, or mix and match like 2 and 4.
Plus the combo of HMD and Fox-3 is super good, and not having an HMD is a massive detriment to the F-2, and in my opinion, the only thing keeping it from 14.0.
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if so, F-16C should be getting APG-83 and something else if its gonna be the same BR as the F-2 with more missiles, better IR’s, better FM, and better radar
No, The F-16C is fine where it is as it is.
The F-16C can carry 2 more Fox 3s than the F-2
The AIM-9M and AAM-3 are really similar, I haven’t made an AAM-3 shot that I couldn’t make with the AIM-9M. Plus since the F-16C has HMD, it can use its missiles to a much better extent.
Also, FM barely comes into play for real matches, That’s why so many people play the Su-30SM or the F-15E.
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the F-2 carries 2 more IR for more total kill opportunities. FM still helps overall, and people play the Su-30SM for its very high missile count (like how F-2 has more missiles), except in the F-2 case it has both FM and missile count. the J/APG-2 radar is much better than the APG-68V7 as well. better FM and more missiles overall make up for no HMD compared to the 16C but better radar puts it above. So they could just add PIDS pylons it should be getting regardless and APG-83 radar to make it more even
No it doesn’t, The F-16C has to expend alot less energy swapping between offense and defense thanks to the HMD, while the F-2A has to get the nose on target in order to get a lock.
In a real match, the F-16C is in some ways better than the F-2A, mainly due to the HMD, but the F-2A is different in other ways, such as higher missile count.
The F-2A is balanced at 13.7, It’s slower than most other planes, but it has a good radar, good missiles, and a good FM, making it really good at close range, while most other planes beat it out in BVR due to their speed advantage or aforementioned HMD.
vertical ACM?
it isnt that much slower than the 16C. if everything else was the same but 16C got APG-83 to have equal radar then it would be balanced. F-16C has ok radar, good but less missiles, and a usable FM. more ARH for less total is a fair tradeoff, FM for HMD and a little speed is a fair tradeoff with vertical ACM, but there isnt really a tradeoff for the radar
the ACM is pretty buggy atm, plus it’s purely vertical.
Not having a HMD is a MASSIVE downside.
It also accelerates slower, meaning you’re not gonna get to high altitudes to do BVR before other people are already launching at you.
The F-16C is fine at 13.7, and the F-2A isn’t 14.0 material. As it is, the F-2A is definitely one of the best 13.7s, and can easily compete at 14.0. But simply due to the lack of HMD, the F-2A isn’t 14.0 material.
im not asking for the F-16 to go down or for F-2 to go up, because 13.3 F-16C is dumb and youve made solid points for F-2 not being 14.0 material, though the F18C with no HMD or -ESA does exist
and like i said, although the vertical ACM makes it not as bad, the HMD thing is still a tradeoff for the FM
Yeahhhhh, I dunno what to do with the OG Finnish Hornet, having 10 AMRAAMs is bonkers for 13.7, but it’s also slow and has no HMD at 14.0…
But literally every other Fox-3 Hornet has HMD, so, I dunno.
While this is true IRL, TWS ESA doesn’t really help all that much with requiring locks from notches in game.
While true, it basically forces a search where they are nearly instantly, in a notch it will not update their information, and it only looks for areas within 1 kilometer of the last location, at mach you’re looking at them having to stay in a notch for only about 3 seconds before it will fail to capture them, as opposed to normal TWS having a timeout of 4-6 seconds. (Technically the timeout is 8 seconds for the J/APG-2’s ESA TWS, which is quite generous, but they’d have to stay within it’s area during that time).
Also, for some reason, the J/APG-2, in addition to having an easier notch gate, actually has slightly less accurate distance and larger doppler filter widths then say a AN/APG-63V(1).
Their search pattern should not make them more susceptible to notching. Radars like the J/APG-2 still have beam taper modulation, which helps with beamforming to maintain tight track patterns while large search areas.
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