F-16s pull much more AoA IRL then is commonly thought, they’re fully stable up to 26 degrees, and can pull up to 31 before stall characteristics begin.
At very low (sub 200kph) speeds, they do have a bit better authority then IRL. But that’s a considerably small part of their flight model, and very few planes in game actually have near stall characteristics modeled anyways.
That is great but the only way to know that is from pilot accounts, manuals and flight regimes are all under the G limiter. Fms in game are not modelled or based on pilot accounts.
Otherwise brother, I could dump so many reports on how underwhelming the Typhoon is.
These values are taken from General Dynamic F-16 Flight Manuals (Lockheed Martin ones are too new to be used on the forums).
That’s interesting!
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Yup, in a duel scenario, I think the Rafale > EFT > F-2 => Gripen > everything else:
Though that being said, in a real world scenario, you can opt to bleed all your energy to point first and launch AAM-3/AAM-4 and win before they turn around, so you aren’t completely helpless against those 2.
Point first?
The “Parthian Shot” with MICA or IRIS-T would be a bit of a probkem WVR.
Generally speaking, I’ve found that in a 1 circle scenario where you decide to just burn all energy, you get to launch first. So best case you fire first and they try to defend and die or worst case, you fire first and they decide to fire too and you trade.
Real life or in game what are we talking about now?
I don’t think pilots want to shed all their air speed immediately.
In game, of course
Eurofighter could attempt bleeding speed as well.
Rafale likely just holds S.
I did defeat Eurofighter in F-2 in random matches.
Sure that is random matches but F-2 is a bit of a beast in it’s own right.
The lack of HMD is something I really noticed however.
I thonk the EFT could but I think they don’t bleed fast enough? Though haven’t fully tested it.
But yea if we talking random matches then every EFT/Rafale has lost but that’s also because they’re probably carrying more fuel and have bombs and such.
As for HMD, I haven’t noticed it since I always use vertical ACM mode and am pretty quick switching targets in TWS. I think it can be a bit troubling in GRB when there’s a bunch if AGMs in the air cluttering TWS tho.
Especially in a dogfight the lack of HMD can be annoying and you have to change course and bleed energy to get the missile of. Some launche angles are simply impossible.
Eurofighter bkeeds speed extremely quickly if it doesn’t compress at highest speed.
Reducing throttle with the airbreak deployed and you drift around at 600 km/h.
F-2 has to carry more fuel than Eurofightet or Rafale.
For me the lack of HMD doesnt matter in a dogfight as I can roll and easily target anything I need. Until we get AAM-5s, we won’t be getting super close range missiles off anyway. Though I actually use AAM-4s as they pull more and can track pretty well.
As for fuel, I generally am between 15-25 mins of fuel in GRB and can extend the loitering time by being in 60% thrust.
Rolling gives away energy while some angles for missile launches are entirely closed off to you.
Other aircraft could also use less fuel and reduce throttle. Eurofighter and Rafake in particular.
I always bring full fuek on F-2 because I do not want to lose out on position.
You’re missing the context.
In GRB, you can always guarentee to have less fuel than anyone else because everyone else is bringing a CAS loadout. You can afford to bring 30 mins (which is what I do when picking the airfield) and pretty much always have the fuel advantage.
Could an EFT or Rafale carry less? Yea, but 99% of the time they don’t because they’re lazy and/or not expecting a CAP focused F-2 making it their mission to take them down.
As for HMD, again, F-2 does not gain anything with one in those dogfights. I’d even argue its worse than using ACM as you’d have to actually manually aim your cursor and hope it locks as opposed to keeping the ACM box on them and letting it lock when it does. Also, as mentioned before, even with a lock your missile won’t pull anyway. It’s purely for radar gunsight.
Basically, in an even fight, Rafale and EFT should win, but you can do so mamy things to not make it an even fight and tip it into your favor. In that sense the F-2 is really strong as you have good options to deal with those two aircraft as opposed to being completely outclassed.
On Eurofighter for example you can still get launches off that are impossibke without HMD/HMS.
Also rather annoying with radar guided missiles since you have to point the nose up if aomeone is high above exposing yourself to a missile that might be on the way already.
Depending on the range in aircraft your nose is not even pointed at.
I am all about ARB as well.
That some poeple are lazy does not effect the charasteristics of the aircraft.
I’d like to see an AIM-9M do an off bore 90+ degree shot at 300-500 kph pull to hit the target instead of falling out of the air, which is the same fate as an AAM-3.
And again for fuel, missing the point that I’m not sure what you’re trying to say anymore. Why would a CAS Rafale spawn in with min fuel?
It does not need to be 90° to be effective. It is a matter of range as well as “multi-tasking”.
Especially on aircraft like Eurofighter.
Here F-2 is limited in comparison. That probably is the only reason for it not to be 14.0. Perhaps in combination with the amount of missiles.
I am talking about ARB.
In GRB Rafale could take lower fuel for the same reason as you.
I would always take less fuel in GRB.
The context is dogfighting and in that context HMD doesnt matter is the point lol.
Anyway let’s agree to disagree