F-18C has superior instantaneous, and the TWR of both aircraft is similar.
So yeah, prove that the F-2A and/or F-18C are overperforming.
The wing design of both aircraft were specifically designed for dogfighting and general subsonic performance.
Su-27SM out-dogfights F-2A at higher speeds and gets beaten at lower speeds because Su-27s wing design is optimized for supersonic flight.
good luck not blacking out at 900kph
the plane that was designed to be supermanouverable so it can do low speed high AoA stuff?
you surely have a source for that claim
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What elevators are designed to do, and the position of the wings =/= what the wing shape is designed to accomplish.
If you combined the elevator limits and wing position of an Su-27 with the wing shape of an F-2 or F-18, while making the aircraft lighter as well, it’d be a more hypothetical “super maneuverable” aircraft.
The source for wing shape, wing position, lifting bodies, etc is many many aero-physicists in the world by the way, you can look them up for yourself.
Edited with numerous clarifications to be more specific.
That sounds like a fever dream I’d like to experience.
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F-2A at low speeds: so anyway I started dogfighting
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Excluding Eurofighter of course.
I am also not certain what the flight manual and the pilots are saying about continued 12 or 13 g turns.
The way you put it makes it sound as if those g loads are as per the norm in the JASDF.
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Turns better than a Typhoon based on what I have seen.
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Still has far too much nose authority all F-16s do they act like deltas in that department.
F-16s pull much more AoA IRL then is commonly thought, they’re fully stable up to 26 degrees, and can pull up to 31 before stall characteristics begin.
At very low (sub 200kph) speeds, they do have a bit better authority then IRL. But that’s a considerably small part of their flight model, and very few planes in game actually have near stall characteristics modeled anyways.
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That is great but the only way to know that is from pilot accounts, manuals and flight regimes are all under the G limiter. Fms in game are not modelled or based on pilot accounts.
Otherwise brother, I could dump so many reports on how underwhelming the Typhoon is.
These values are taken from General Dynamic F-16 Flight Manuals (Lockheed Martin ones are too new to be used on the forums).
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That’s interesting!
it cant
Yup, in a duel scenario, I think the Rafale > EFT > F-2 => Gripen > everything else:
Though that being said, in a real world scenario, you can opt to bleed all your energy to point first and launch AAM-3/AAM-4 and win before they turn around, so you aren’t completely helpless against those 2.
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Point first?
The “Parthian Shot” with MICA or IRIS-T would be a bit of a probkem WVR.