Mitsubishi F-2

when are you flying without fuel?

bc i dont

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F2 with 10% internal fuel outperforms f18c with 5% internal fuel in every way.

As it should? I feel like you’re ignoring all the details being given to you for arbitrary reasons.

F-2 is performing as it should, being one of the best dogfighters, with appropriate pros and cons

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compare wing surfaces
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take into account shape, area, control surfaces and size of the plane and wings aswell as plane to wing ratio

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In warthunder, the F-2A has an oswalds number of 0.67 to 0.63 depending on flaperon deployment. This is roughly average for delta wings, with the F-16 having 0.65, and the Mirage IIIs having 0.67.

The F/A-18s have 0.58 to 0.5 depending on flaperon deployment.

Its natural the F-2 will sustain energy better then it.

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F16 but… big.
Who would have thonked

Anyways, here’s the F-2’s stability at an extreme scenario. You can see it actually almost entirely lacks the super stability the F-16s (and gripens) in game have.

F-16 superstability for Comparison

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Does anyone have problems with F2a’s radar? I find the Tws mode quite difficult to use.(Sometimes locks on to air, or hard to scan the enemy 20-30km)

ur forgetting it looks cool cause its blue :)

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no issues like that for me, but sometimes when i go from TWS to visual range ACM, it just randomly locks onto something

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Something feels wrong, same on premium

F-18C has superior instantaneous, and the TWR of both aircraft is similar.
So yeah, prove that the F-2A and/or F-18C are overperforming.

The wing design of both aircraft were specifically designed for dogfighting and general subsonic performance.

Su-27SM out-dogfights F-2A at higher speeds and gets beaten at lower speeds because Su-27s wing design is optimized for supersonic flight.

good luck not blacking out at 900kph

the plane that was designed to be supermanouverable so it can do low speed high AoA stuff?

you surely have a source for that claim

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What elevators are designed to do, and the position of the wings =/= what the wing shape is designed to accomplish.

If you combined the elevator limits and wing position of an Su-27 with the wing shape of an F-2 or F-18, while making the aircraft lighter as well, it’d be a more hypothetical “super maneuverable” aircraft.

The source for wing shape, wing position, lifting bodies, etc is many many aero-physicists in the world by the way, you can look them up for yourself.

Edited with numerous clarifications to be more specific.

That sounds like a fever dream I’d like to experience.

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F-2A at low speeds: so anyway I started dogfighting

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Excluding Eurofighter of course.
I am also not certain what the flight manual and the pilots are saying about continued 12 or 13 g turns.
The way you put it makes it sound as if those g loads are as per the norm in the JASDF.

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Turns better than a Typhoon based on what I have seen.

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Still has far too much nose authority all F-16s do they act like deltas in that department.