I doubt that cause Gaijin will want to limit the amount of AMRAAMs, and having one jet out of the all others with more than 6 AARHs wouldn’t be a great data collecting method.
To put this into contrast:
USA- 6
Germany- 4
USSR- 6
Britain- 4
Japan- 4 if F-2 is added.
China- 4 or 6, I forget how many J-8F can carry.
Italy - 4 currently, possibly 6 with new aircraft.
France- 4 or 6.
Sweden- 4.
Israel- 6.
AESA radar is the whole new level, it would be reasonable to expect it in the end of the year unless they make it complete shitshow.
If they will make AESA properly you won’t see scan or lock, you can’t notch it and can’t hide near ground.
Also F-2 even with just 7Ms will be a bit OP since you should be able to track 10+ targets at the same time if I remember correctly
I am very curious what they will do with thr F-2 line such as its progression and weapons…
Also i plan on updating my threads soon…
The one in the pic is Indeed an AAM 4 B if You got any info of the project could be cool if you shared some info of it
From my weapons thread
This site talks about the AAM-4(A) In a bit more detail
AAM-4 3
The characteristics of AAM-4 include the following.
Range extension
Realization of LOAL (Lock On After Launch) by inertial guidance with intermediate command and active radar homing.
Increased combustion time with dual thrust rocket motor (rocket motor that changes combustion pattern in two stages).
Increasing the capacity of rocket motors by downsizing onboard equipment.
Adoption of a navigation method that applies a flight method with the least energy loss.
Lower resistance of the fuselage.
Improved destruction performance
Adoption of a directional warhead (a warhead that allows the deflection of explosive power by controlling the explosion point).
Increased dispersion density of warhead fragments.
Adoption of active radar (4-quadrant active radio wave) fuse.
Unleashing ability, ability to deal with multiple targets simultaneously
Initial/intermediate guidance equipped with a command receiving device.
Equipped with a ring laser gyro (FOG: Fiber Optic Gyro).
Improving ECCM ability and clutter removal ability
Elimination of interfering signal components by employing high-speed arithmetic processing equipment.
A special modulation method that is resistant to radio interference is used in the RF transmission system of the active radar seeker, command transmitter/receiver, and active radar fuse.
Improved mobility
Adopts rear wing steering system using electric servo actuators.
others
Reducing prices by applying COTS (Commercial Off-The-Shelf technology).
Safety is ensured by the use of PBX (Plastic Bonded Explosive) warheads.
Adoption of a high-power semiconductor transmitter for the transmitter (AMRAAM uses a TWT (traveling wave tube))"
As with many aircrafts currently(Mirage 2000-5F/F-14A or F-16C, F-15A and J - i don’t know enough of russian aircrafts),… yet we can’t track more than one (outside of Pantsir S.1 vehicule which can track 2 at the same time)
You sure you didn’t mean just track while scan? I believe AESA radar should be able to shoot aim7 at multiple targets at the same time because it can lock them, I don’t think PD radars are able to do that.
F-14A + F-14B AN/AWG-9:
The AN/AWG-9 offers multiple air-to-air modes: long-range [continuous-wave radar] velocity search, range-while-search at shorter ranges, and an airborne track-while-scan mode with the ability to track up to 24 airborne targets, display 18 of them on the cockpit displays, and launch against 6 of them at the same time.
Mirage 2000-5F RDY:
RDY can detect 24 targets, track eight of them and engage four targets at a time
F-15J [MSIP is a later upgrade of the one in-game] AN/APG-63(v1):
F-15J MSIPs over five years in accordance with new National Defense Program Guidelines. The upgrade is being implemented in phases, but ultimately the upgrade will include a new ejection seat; replaced IHI-220E engines; more powerful processor; uprated electrical generation and cooling capabilities to support more avionics and the Raytheon AN/APG-63(V)1 radar.
The APG-63(V)1 radar is a 1990s reliability/maintainability hardware redesign which also provided significant mode growth opportunities. It was designed to replace outmoded APG-63 radars installed in F-15C/D aircraft models, providing improved performance and a tenfold increase in reliability. The new radar is able to track 14 targets simultaneously while being able to simultaneously attack 6 of those.
Su-27 (seems like later model than the one in-game) N001 “Myech/Mech” / “Меч” :
Variant N001V (RLPK-27V) [3rd variant of the radar serie]
Processor replaced TS101M capable of single target engagement and simultaneously tracking 10 targets during an engagement.
Gripen PS-05/A mark 3 and 4 (seems legacy):
The radar provides a wide range of mapping modes. Multi-look image processing is used to improve visibility. Concurrent target tracking is possible in some mapping modes and tracked targets are presented on top of the map.
Source Saab website
Multi-target Engagement (priority target tracking)
https://www.f-16.net/forum/download/file.php?id=32223
NOTE:
i can’t find information good enough for F-16C AN/APG-68.
i thought F-15A got that already when it was built-in my bad (aswell as F-15C/J which got it later on)
In that case they’d need to add AAM-4, which the F-15s also only carry 4 of. The only FOX3 possibilities there are are:
I doubt we’ll see the F-2 with FOX 3 before the F-15J MSIP considering they have equal loadouts, but the F-2 has the AESA radar. What we might see is an XF-2A or an early F-2 without FOX 3 in the next update, with the FOX 3 update being the one after that.
There is magazines with 6 AIM-7 or AAM-4 missile. But honestly I have never seen any photo where F-2 carry any radar missile at far right or left pylon
that image you posted turned out to be from a model company so not really reliable BUT…
perhaps…(though keep in mind the weapons shown here are mainly for show)
But anyway it is something good. Maybe it can get 6 radar missiles but I am not sure about that…
At least it shows it might be theoretically possible which for WT is enough…but yeah i mainly just expect a “4X4” loadout
They won’t model all of AESA’s features on release. The best expectation of AESA right now would be PD radar that doesn’t need to mechanically scan left and right. It will not be able to lock and fire at multiple targets. It might be able to show multiple targets on the HUD in TWS (like initial F-14 TWS implementation). Maybe they’ll make it unnotchable, who knows.
As more and more aircraft get AESA, then they will bother to model it. Look at how PD radars were introduced, as well as the RWR rework. Gaijin rarely models things fully initially as they want to get things out the door and work on them over time. Look at how the F-15’s radar is still WIP and even flight models get updated after release over time. AESA will be no exception and will come out nerfed.
Another thing to consider is that early variants are using J/APG-1, which being the first of its kind was noted as not being perfect and having certain issues (namely range and reliability that I’ve read so far) that were rectified with J/APG-2. This also gives Gaijin leeway in keeping J/APG-1 balanced and not extremely powerful compared to J/APG-2 or even other AESA radar. If we’re talking XF-2A, I think the JASDF used an actual nerfed/prototyped version of the J/APG-1 which gives even more leeway (assuming they don’t go the AN/APG-68 route).
This is my thinking as well. The F-2 early is the same loadout as the F-15J right now, albeit on a better 1 vs 1 dogfighting platform. It won’t change any meta or shake things up so it’s perfect to add right now before Fox 3 update which will surely focus on the F-15s.
Of course, they could also just delay it till the end of the year and straight jump into F-2 late with AAM-4s and L-JDAMs so it serves a purpose in being a direct upgrade to the F-16AJ. However, given how popular the F-2 is, I’d assume they’d like to have multiple variants in the tech tree to make as much money off them as they can. I know I’ll get them all.
In a prior RR thread, I was told it was outdated and that while initially they did use that loadout, some wing cracking (or something like that) caused them to limit and remove station 2 and 10 as options for both AIM-7Ms and AAM-4s.
Probably for show as you mentioned, but could also be before they found the structural issues afterwards and then made changes.
That’s nice info, thx
Seems we miss stuff in vehicles we already have much more then I thought
Well off course,… like the Magic-2 still being on “nerfed for balance” state condition
Not implementing key features of AESA is very stupid, it’s like implementing a handicapped vehicle… Oh right we already have type93…
About that I cope with “rushed update”
That’s not a thing…
All of Magic 2’s functions not in-game are waiting for simulations to be added to War Thunder that aren’t related to the missile specifically.
It’s just the nature of the game and balance always takes priority. A lot of us just want the vehicle in the game more than it being “accurate” to IRL specs because we know it won’t ever be accurate.
