And if you want precise numbers on my “dumbed down” explanation, I can only advise you to check this post : Everything Still Wrong with the Mistral Missile - #19 by LeGrandSarrazin
He shows the turn rate of Stinger, Igla and Mistral. The Chinese missile is basically a knock off of the igloo so consider it to have the same performances. Now you can see how bad the mistral actually is currently
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Dunno why you think that just posting your War Thunder stats is a checkmate, especially when I can use those stats to confirm that you’ve never played a vehicle that uses the Mistral, which basically automatically disqualifies you from commenting on how they perform in battle.
Because Gaijin used data for the IGLA to model stingers/Mistrals and came to the conclusion that if Russia cant build a SAM that good, the west definetly couldnt. So they nerfed Stingers and Mistrals hard
If you have a source proving its real G overload, please make a report.
The source should include evidence of what its G pull is across a sustained turn because Gaijin has said that they think 22 Gs is the pull across 1 half rotation, rather than the sustained pull. Gaijin’s argument is complete nonsense, but if you want something to change, you will have to provide a source that specifically states its sustained G pull.
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The 2 sources found for the stinger (1 from the USAF and 1 from the RAF) were basically rejected by Gaijin as being wrong. I doubt we are gunna find any better sources than those. They are all classified
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Did those sources specifically state that 22 Gs is the sustained pull? It’s going to have to state that it is specifically the sustained pull in order to have a chance at actually fixing the Mistral. I am fully aware that Gaijin’s argument here is absolute nonsense, but that’s what they’ve decided to go with so the source will have to specify the sustained pull.
It didnt in those exact words, but as the author explains in this thread. I think it should have been taken that way:
Sources as provided by Flame
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I’m fully aware that it should be taken as sustained pull. Gaijin has decided that just for the Mistral and Stinger, the listed overload is instantaneous pull across a 1 half rotation because they are just looking for an excuse to keep the Mistral as is. The source is going to have to use the words “sustained pull.”
Sorry, I don’t make the rules. Gaijin is so clearly wrong here, but I don’t make the rules.
Yeah… They also used IGLA data, which is also something they very clearly stated they would never do. Use soviet data to model western equipment and vice versa
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Then using data from the Igla I am pretty sure actually made me dumber. I think it killed enough of my brain cells to drop my IQ by a few points.
Yep… I also kinda love how we’ve not heard a single thing about it. They dropped that bomb shell. Got massive backlash and then quietly forgot it ever existed.
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Same with the M1’s armor (not actually going to have a conversation about the M1’s armor here for the sake of keeping it on topic). Suffice it to say that I’d love if someone could find a source that specifies sustained G pull because then they’ll have no excuse at all.
Yeah, Challenger 2 Remodel as well. most of the bug reports for that basically got ignored.
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Plenty of sources on this post by @LeGrandSarrazin mention the missile’s ability to keep up with a target sustaining a 8-9G turn at different altitudes. There is more than enough data in his post for them to simulate the missile and walk the variables in until the missile is close enough.
But obviously, source quality or quantity is not the problem. Mistral and stinger have much higher performance than the russian counterparts and for some reason they refuse to accept that.
bias totally isn’t real tho
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And we know that, Smin clearly told us that in the French discord. The issue is that the reports for the mistral had been made by LeGrandSarazin after months/years of work and he basically pulled all the sources he could legally find, and there’s pretty much nothing else that can be used as a source.
The crux of the issue is that gaijin waited for literal years before deciding to flame down a perfectly good, well sourced, documented and detailed report. The fact that multiple primary and secondary sources have stated that the mistral can hit 8G maneuvering targets despite the mistral ‘s high speed, while in game the mistral actually struggle hitting MiG 15s flying in a straight line towards the mistral or the mistral failing to hit a stalling me262 (both happened to me a few days ago, after the last mistral patch) just shows how underperforming the mistral is. But because all those sources were already shown to gaijin, who decided to simply refuse their validity, they won’t even bother acknowledging them for a new report…