the first F.58 were essentially F.6, but they later got some more Hunters based on the FGA9. This is the new F.58A (early). It also shouldn’t have the RWR.
The Squadron Hunter is a F.58A (late), so based on the FGA9 with upgrades such as the RWR, Flares etc. Of course named wrong by Gaijn as the F.58
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F.58 and F.58A are practically the same, F.58s former RAF F.6s while the F.58As are new built FGA9, which is really just the export name for the F.6 though it had a few minor modifications. If I remember correctly though the Swiss F.6s were brought to the same standards as the FGA.9s when they were sold. They just kept separate names for some reason.
I’ve still seen no proof of it, and all the people of the air force (Tiger pilots, ground crew) I asked about it all very adamantly insisted our Tigers never got a radar upgrade to the APG-69. Also the pilot manual from 1996 explicitly mentions only the AN/APQ-159.
The sets are very similar so it’s possible the modification just slipped under the… radar. Manuals are also not always kept up-to-date with every modification, at least that’s what I’ve found.
It also makes no sense to me why they USN would bother putting in a decades old radar that was almost certainly no longer being produced when they received the F-5Es.
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Similar? How?
One is a poor short range radar with neither look-down capability nor IFF, the other a quite powerful PD radar with TWS and even GMTI modes.
Also, your source is just some text, and proves nothing. (I’d gladly be proven wrong, btw…)
This is the full source: Aircraft Report: Adversarial F-5 Tigers
The APG-69 doesn’t have GMTI. Doesn’t even have modes for air-to-ground weapons delivery. In reality it only had ground mapping.
Also, does the manual state APQ-159 or APQ-153?
Key Aero is a published magazine, so they do accept them as a source, and there are other sources out there saying similar things so it’s possible that’s the reason they used the APG-69.
The dev-server thread is now in the Machinery of war category and open again:
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Just got info from Smin, and he says that publication is considered 3rd party at best, and not considered a reliable source… = /
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I mean, the hunter F58A in the TT really isn’t a thing is it?
it’s also 9.3 while being better than the F6 for britain?
The British one gets sraams
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SRAAMS are trash. And they’ll be that way until Gaijin un-nerfs their flight characteristics.
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The mirage IIIS C.70 without at least AIM-9P-3s and the F-5E without P-4s or P-5s sadden me 😞
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Have you used sraams¿ xD
they twizzle out and explode past 700 meters in any launch bar a direct dive, in which case they may reach up to about 900 meters.
They are a useless missile and two aim9E’s is substantially better at a lower BR, while also having a CCIP for bombs, and and RWR whilst retaining all the same flight charactaristics.
hell i actually think its engines better as RN the stock F58A 1971, puts out the same thrust as the spaded F6.
Yeah the F5 at least is an F5E, the Mirage could of got its p-5 equivelants and been a proper menace.
ah well itll suck with 9Bs
F.6 is impossible to balance generally.
The 9.0/9.3 Hunters deserve a drop by 0.3 in Br over all but the F.6 is very hard to balance.
The issue is not the range of the SRAAM but the ability of Hunter F.6 to bring them to efficient range if it drops just a little bit in Br.
You’re saying its hard to balance while there are better F6 modelss sitting at 9.3 while the british one sits at 9.7? xD
And aim9E’s arent better? how ?
At 9.7 there are a plethora of super sonics and and or faster / better planes at your BR and even lower.
- F100
-mig19
-f104 - Mig21
- harrier Gr1 (better in every way and has aim9Gs)
-AV8
etc etc
the list goes on, the hunter F6 for britain should of moved to 9.3 long ago . alongside the F6 for france when it was added, the hunter F58A, is a non plane any ways, but as it is in game, it should be 9,7 along side the britihs F6 not bellow it
You ignored my point entirely going an about higher tier aircraft which are not the issue for balancing.
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Higher tier ?? every single plane I listed here is the same BR or lower than the hunter F6 in the british tree??
The hunter F6 for the british objectively is worse than the F58A (due to them being identical bar the 58A has RWR, and ofc CCIP for bombs, with 2 aim9E’s) yet sits at a higher BR?
the hunter F6 for france is on par with the F6 for britain as both have completely useless missiles. Though it has a warrant for 9.3 due to its ground attack being non existent.
So where at all have I talked about higher tier air craft? the F58A and all other F6 models which are actually F6’s should be the same BR’s.
The SRAAMS have been a non argument for the british F6 for years now.
just to clarify, you’re talking about the 9.3 hunters need a drop-
the 9.3 hunters are the F6 model
the J34 or whatever it is in sweden is not an F6 and has a worse engine last i checked. Now this thread is about the mirage IIIS C.70