J-34 IIRC is the only Mk.4 Hunter in the game.
The others, the F-58A and the French F.6 are actually at the right BR at 9.3
The British Hunters need to go down to 9.3 and 8.7 respectively. The F1 is barely better than a Mig-15. Not to mention straight up worse than the Mig-17 in every way except straight line speed, which is only marginally faster by like 30km/h. Moving the F.1 down will also mean that the Venom and Vampire both need to go down as well, Venom to 8.3 and Vampire to 7.7 since it isn’t faster than anything it can face at 7.7 (never mind the fact that the Swedish Vampires are superior to the British Vampire in every way at the exact same BR.) lol
Now for me to add my 0.02c for the Mirage IIIS.
Now all I can do is wait for when the South African Mirages come to the British tree to give the British tree some actual competent planes at the 10.0 - 11.0 range with South Africa’s Mirage F1CZ, Mirage IIICZ and the Atlas Cheetah D model. Cheetah D will probably be a 12.3 aircraft since it carried Python 3s and R-Darters.
You still ignored my point. Perhaps I worded it badly.
At the end of the day Hunter F.6 has to suffer because of the SRAAMs. If they are used correctly they are to much for most people in a dogfight.
High tier as in being at the same Br ir higher.
Sadly we have to take into account 8.7 or in case of a changed Br 8.3 as well.
Other aircraft are also held back due to their missiles.
It is one reason why I thonk Mirage IIIS C.70 whould either keep AIM-9E or receive P5. Anything in between will only increase the Br beyond reason for relatively little gain.
Yeah I wasn’t sure if it was even a F6 model but did state it is objectively worse than all the F6’s in game.
They could add the australian vampire as one for that BR though and move teh others down.
Id absolutely love to see stuff like that in the tree tbh man would give it some variation in more BR’s.
He says as he literally ignores every other point.
Okay, so lets look at the fact **you can barely get within closing distance to use a SRAAM as most if not every plane at your BR can out run you. **
then combine that with the fact vastly superior platforms in stuff like I listed are a lower BR. The F6 for britain sits far too high.
aim9E’s on the 9.3 versions of hunter F6 are far better and more reliable missiles than SRAAMS.
Can I ask something here, have you actually used a sraam?
cause as they are in game now, you can barely use them in dogfights due to the fact they spin out at lower launch speeds .
They dont have any range at all literally about 1km in a hard dive when the person doesn’t move at all.
and in an actual effective match about 700 meters.
Ah yeah so its fine for better versions of the hunter F6 to sit at lower Br’s ???
The Aim9E equiped F58A will be substantially more effective.
Hell you’ve got a j35 draken a lower Br than the F6 for britain.
At this point what you’re telling me is the british hunter with worse missiles should be a higher BR than every other hunter (bar the F58 Squadron) due to said bad missiles xD , it makes zero sense what you’re telling me man.
disagree, unless you want to have bunch of useless jets which are hard to balance and which are basically useless
not to add to this, but gaijin just LOVES to give weapons to jets that didnt carry them
mirage 2000 5f with 8 missiles and a2g capabilities
rafale f3r with 8 missiles
etc etc
On the topic of ZA Mirages, I feel like Gaijin should go all out: Mirage F1AZ, Mirage F1CZ, Mirage IIICZ, Mirage IIIEZ, Super Mirage F1, Atlas Cheetah E and C, etc. Would make for fantastic gap/capability filler, along with the newer airframes that provide something new.
We have Thai Tigers with 2-4 all aspect IRAAM’s and a completely useless radar at 11.7 which do quite well , having the Mirage at that level would work ok too. It would certainly not the most useless of jets, compared to other who easily keep that title…
They really could easily have avoided the whole issue if they had modelled the early, pre-KAWEST Mirage with the current armament, and at the same time or later add the currently modelled post-KAWEST Mirage but with the improved weaponry.
Now we’re in a “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” situation…
i didnt say that having mirage 3s at that level would be bad, especially if it comes to true that the radar has PD and if its receives p5’s
but i disagreed on the statement overall, imagine how hard it would be to balance f4e with no pd radar, and 4x 9M’s and 7F/M’s for example
also the thing is, mirage IIIS would be higher then the thai tigers, as P5 to my information has the same IRCCM as 9M. so what that would be, 12.0? now you have ability to face planes such as j8f with fox 3’s, su27sk, f-16 with 6 aim9m’s. and atleast from my air rb knowledge, those uptiers would happen more then they wouldnt.
Keep in mind that the Tigers retain more energy while maneuvering . They have a longer reach with their cannons as well while their engines are particularly cold.
If historical loadouts are to always be implemented then there has to be a complete overhaul of the “BR” system in order to compensate for the chaos that would ensue with it.
Or it could be completely scrapped and a new way of balancing jets could be created. Either way whole game would hace to change in order for every plane to get a historical loadout. Im in favour of historical loadouts but then again i never see gaijin ever improving on the atrocious BR system, as it would loose them money.
Their top speed is slower of course while their acceleration is decent enough. Their ability to keep maneuvering while being faced with multiple targets with good chances of dealing heavy blows is what sets it appart.
In a 1v1 the Mirage might succeed these days depending on some factors of course but in random matches F-5 can get things done if none of it’s missiles hit as long as the enemy doesn’t get to run away. Most can’t or wont do so…
If Mirage has spent it’s missikes you can still go for gun kills and you can chase down lonely targets still but you wont be as efficient.
Outside of a 1v1 Mirage ought do be played more defensively than F-5, while in a 1v1 the opposite is tue for the most part.
Comparing Kfir to F-5 leads to the same conclusion.
F5 has an easier time gaining a immense battle presence.
AV8 and mig21s are the only real premiums that drag down 10.x, and they aren’t even a fraction as popular as 11.3 premiums, the difference between 10.0 and 10.3 is already noticeable, going to 10.7 is basically a death sentence as now mig23 premiums are in the mix and you can kiss downtiers goodbye.
That is exactly why I do not play Mirage IIIE all that much anymore and just the right point to underscore the point I made previously.
Without AIM-9P/3/4 Mirage IIIS C.70 in it’s current form has a chance to be very efficient at 10.3.
With AIM-9P5 it would be in a bit more of a support role at 11.7 or 12.0 but between staying at 10.3 with AIM 9E only or being a efficient little bugger at 11.7 or 12.0 there is a lot of despair to be had.
Being right in the middle of compression and as you pointed out in the middle of an unfavourable matchmaker is not what the plane deserves.