Mirage F1C (ALL) is no longer a 11.3 plane in all game mode

[人民英雄聂海芬]

Hello everyone. As the title suggests, I believe the Mirage F1C is no longer suitable to remain at a BR of 11.3.

In Air RB mode, multi-path clutter has been weakened, which means the threat from AIM-7F and AIM-54A/C missiles has further increased. The Mirage F1C has to perform more maneuvers to evade missiles, and its weak engine and poor energy retention make its performance even worse. This change also means that the threat posed by the Mirage F1C’s Super 530F missiles has further decreased since everyone carries chaff, which disrupts the Super 530F with 100% effectiveness.

Both the Mirage F1C and F1C-200 use outdated RWRs. You cannot accurately know who fired the incoming missile, what type of missile it is, or sometimes the RWR won’t alert you at all.

The Mirage F1C’s only real threat to enemies are the two Magic 2 missiles with a range of 2 km, while the F-4S can carry up to six AIM-7F missiles that can be fired head-on at 10 km, or five AIM-7F missiles plus two AIM-9H missiles. All F-4S missiles can be guided by the helmet-mounted sight, which further increases the F-4S’s suppression over the Mirage F1C. Even if the Mirage F1C evades all AIM-7F missiles, after evading, it will be left without altitude and speed, making it easy to kill.

Additionally, with both carrying 20 minutes of fuel, the F-4S has a thrust-to-weight ratio that is 0.2 higher than the Mirage F1C! The F1C can hardly win an energy fight against the F-4S.

I believe a BR of 11.0 is reasonable for the Mirage F1C; 11.3 is too high.

In Ground RB, the Mirage F1C’s outdated RWR makes it difficult to avoid SPAA, and it might not even be aware of their presence.

The Mirage F1C also has a low payload capacity. For example, the F-4S can carry 24 500 lb SAMP Mk 82 bombs, while the Mirage F1C can only carry 5. The F-4S can also carry 60 Zuni Mk32 Mod 0 ATAP rockets, which allow for efficient and precise CAS, whereas the Mirage F1C lacks such payload options.

I believe the Mirage F1C’s BR in Ground RB can be lowered to 10.3. Compared to the Su-22M3 of the same BR, it has better all-aspect missiles, but only one-third the quantity, worse thrust, but more countermeasures. Overall, it’s balanced.

[Lyn_poster]

Its fine at 11.3 they just need to move up all the ARH planes to 12.3 minimum

[AllNationEnjoyer]

in all gamemodes but you only listed two? it is definitely not underperforming in sim that is sure

[AlvisWisla]

lol F-1C’s engine is rather good.
If you’re burning energy in a radar missile defeating turn then you let that missile track you for longer than you should’ve.

All you need to do is perform a sustained turn and chaff in a notch window.

[人民英雄聂海芬]

Are you saying that the 9K50 engine, which is also used by the 9.7 BR Dassault Milan, is quite good? Then how do you explain the F1C’s low thrust-to-weight ratio? From takeoff to accelerating to Mach 1.1, there’s absolutely no chance of outperforming any F-4 fighter. I even doubt whether the F1C can outperform the MiG-21SMT, let alone the MiG-21Bis.

[人民英雄聂海芬]

During the store discount period, anyone can achieve such a performance, but that doesn’t mean the F1C-200 can gain any advantage when facing an F-4S piloted by an equally skilled opponent.

[DiamondLag]

Magic 2 + ok radar missile + MTI radar is a lethal combo at 11.3

Closest you get is the JA-37D which is 9L + good radar missile + PD radar at 11.3.

The weaponry alone makes the F1C an 11.3. Unless you change those it will stick to 11.3

[Panther2995]

@DiamondLag

ok

Ok radar missiles?

Super530F’s can be easily fooled by single chaff,its not okay its a dead weight.

[DiamondLag]

If you are using MTI and they arent notching its pretty allright.

They are usable and resistant to chaff because of MTI.

Idk what else you would describe as “ok”.

Ok ≠ amazing

[Lyn_poster]

@人民英雄聂海芬

During the store discount period, anyone can achieve such a performance,

The plane literally prints guaranteed 2 kill games at a minimum

@人民英雄聂海芬

but that doesn’t mean the F1C-200 can gain any advantage when facing an F-4S piloted by an equally skilled opponent.

The F-4S physically cannot win a 1v1 against an F1C unless you try to lose its a missile bus for a reason

[Panther2995]

@DiamondLag

If you are using MTI and they arent notching its pretty allright.

They are usable and resistant to chaff because of MTI.

Idk what else you would describe as “ok”.

They are not.

I’ve used those missiles on my Mirage2000C-S5 and 5F and they can be easily fooled with single chaff.

I suggest stop making false claims.

[Lyn_poster]

Super 530F has no speedgate like the Aim7 so even in MTI a single chaff will fool it, even if you have a radar lock the missile seeker will go for the largest signature being the chaff just bring the 2x 2000lb bombs and nuke a base

[人民英雄聂海芬]

I’m curious about your understanding of a 1v1. Do you think it means entering a dogfight after the first pass? Is this how you fly the F4U-4B against the Zero? The F-4S only needs to use its Sparrows to engage the F1C head-on. Regardless of whether they hit, it can maintain altitude and speed, create distance, and repeat the process. By forcing the F1C to repeatedly maneuver to evade missiles and deplete its energy, the F-4S can easily take it down. Dogfighting with the F1C in a heavy fighter is foolish. You should seriously study air combat techniques instead of enjoying the thrill of farming wallet warriors who lack combat skills.

[Lyn_poster]

@人民英雄聂海芬

The F-4S only needs to use its Sparrows to engage the F1C head-on

Why would i be dumb enough to engage an F-4S in a headdon engagement outside of multipathing or notch besides its still incredibly easy to kinetically dodge any SARH that isnt an R-27 at closer ranges

@人民英雄聂海芬

can maintain altitude and speed, create distance, and repeat the process

The F1C is decently faster than the F-4S you cant create distance against it

@人民英雄聂海芬

By forcing the F1C to repeatedly maneuver to evade missiles

You dont need to evade the missiles kinetically unless you’re in a headdon joust simply notching works and doesn’t burn any energy

@人民英雄聂海芬

the F-4S can easily take it down

hahaha no

[DiamondLag]

And ive used them on the F-1CT. They are perfectly ok.

[DiamondLag]

Yes it will go for the largest signature highlighted. It is not immune to chaff.

[Lyn_poster]

… thats literally what i said

[TheMightySardine]

The radar have regular TRK lock,not MTI so it locks first chaff deployed. The MTI is only for search but not lock itself,even before this update the 530s sometimes missed even plane flying straight with no chaffing.

[Panther2995]

Yea and i said i’ve used them on Mirage2K’s, they are far from bein ok.

[S4bel]

I’d say its pretty good at 11.3. It’s one of the more fun premiums I’ve played tbh