I gave a third option, you rejected it probably because ego. I stand by what I said.
Then neither is yours, so where is this conversation going?
Precisely. Except that instead of getting the R-73s, SARH like the Su-27, it has to use Magic 2s, IR. It’s almost like they’re identically limited and challenging you to adapt.
Belgian F-16AM.
Well, there you have it then. You obviously need to choose your path well. If you’re going to try to stay under 30m over ridges and clusters, you won’t really get far. You’ve got to know your terrain and stick to patches that can let you drop low if you need it.
Funny how the Mirage 4000 and the Belgian 13.0 F-16 teach you exactly how to beat that, since you have no tools to engage people from afar. You’ll think this is a flex but I think if you’d actually learnt to play those two, you’d see this where I’m coming from.
Okay, and that point addresses his… how exactly?
He’s telling you that the M4K is about closing the gap. Your reply is “dogfighting is close range”. Yeah, that’s what he’s saying.
That’s the unique part about the Mirage 4K, the Belgian F-16 at 13.0, perhaps a couple of other fighters like this in other trees.
There is a single f16 at 13.0 that is the belgian one… i already specified with just that…
Says how? No one bring its CAS capabilites until you did, and the only mention of it was about the lack of missiles at 13.0 which has nothing to do with cas.
The begian f16a is not in the game for cas, it literally is and was worse than the french options in this br at that…
At this point youre either making things up or you are just day dreaming.
Throwing stones at a glass house here. You’re being real petty and at this point just trying to derail this.
Engage people’s points instead of attacking or presuming things about their background to prop yourself up.
Literally all I said was that you are lucky to avoid such issues?
Like i said it wasn’t clear and i already said, i tought it was the 12.7
The plane was introduced to serve as CAS and not at as CAP or with AA capabilities:
Here is the japanese F16 with missile to the right like fighters:
Here is the F16 (belgian) at 13.0 like CAS planes :
and here the A10-C an attack aircraft:
As you can see the disposition of AA missiles is the same between a CAS (A10-C) and the belgian F16 so that is why i said it is made for CAS and implemented in that intent.
I am not just logic.
Here’s my take on the main topic:
M4K is not exceptional at 13.0, it also shouldn’t go to 12.7 because compression is ALWAYS a bad thing and should NEVER be advocated for.
Decompress the BRs.
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literally in the same sentence i also called the specific variant that has fox 1 at 12.7.
Just because it has the same disposition as the a10c doesnt make it a “cas” plane, just like the mirage 4000 is a multirol aircraft and even then it is at the same br non the less.
Exept you didnt say that, but someone else did
Keep lying all you want buddy.
your argument was “I’ve done this both with the Su-27 and Mirage 4000, and most of the time you dodge the missiles just fine, no splash damage gets you.” and it isn’t an argument and points to nothing if i have lived something different it is logic to think why.
And that is why i told you this doesn’t usually happen in my experience. Maybe this happens to you currently but not to me. If everybody can launch a game and somebody can’t that doesn’t mean the person who can’t have anything to do with this. This is pure logic, just because you doesn’t experience something doesn’t mean it doesn’t exists.
No because both of them have what HMD and SRC PD as i stated before yes it is a special plane but that weakness doesn’t have to affect it to such extent.
F16 AM has HMD and is better with it i don’t get your point, because it has it and you don’t use it doesn’t mean nobody will use it. That is all !
No this is pure illogic, taking the same route every match and doing the same thing is a pure lack of creativity, that is what is wrong IMO of this type of gameplay, by thinking like that everybody will do the same 24/7 and the meta will always be the same, this is just too limited IMO.
“but I think if you’d actually learnt to play those two” and that is supposedf to not be offensive yeah not nice dude think of a better way to say thing you really aren’t nice.
Well then they just have to fly at Stratosphere level and you won’t catch them, the ennemy will launch waves of attacks and sometime you will eventually lose.
This is just adaptation to lack of tools. This is just fighting unfair fights.
What point there is no point of course M4K is close range and that is his weakness due to the fact that you CANT close that gap if they play normally.
I JUST SAID IT WASN’T CLEAR WHAT CAN I SAY MORE WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO TELL YOU ???
Then why is it in the game go on find something i put things i even give you PROOF that it was built in the intent to be CAS/Multirole and you just say nothing. Also some F16 in the belgian army were made to replace Mirage5 that were used as multirole bombers/CAP so that is why the lack of FOX1.
No the Mirage 4000 was not implemented in the idea to be a multirole bomber, it was just fitted to what was already in game and what was best at that time (In real life), that is why it has such poor bombs and Ground Pound Capabilities, AS30L were already present on M2K same as BGL1000 and same as other bombs and rockets, notice how the missiles are on the right, like fighters in the game.
Yes it is a multirole that is undeniable but in game it is not implemented as a multirole oriented aircraft, there is very little of them in game.
It was never implemented to begin with, also the f16a is no a “multirol bomber” it a multirol fighter, it is based on a fighter frame not on a bomber frame, and the reason why it doesnt have fox ones is because they are f16a which doesnt have such capabilities, later on these same aircraft were upgrated to the AM.
Btw the mirage 4000 was heavily advertised for its air to ground capabilities, some souces even show that it was intended to use up to 9 laser guided bombs.
THEN HOW DO YOU CALL IT’S APPEARENCE IN GAME THAT IS THE EXACT TERM.
Yes sorry for the typo that is what i meant but the main idea is that is was put in game in the idea to be used as a CAP/Multirole as bombing .
among other reasons.
Not ingame so no. it is not in that aspect.
The one in game use a proposed variant, it has loadouts that the real one couldnt even use, like the 530d, btw the in game it is clearely meant as a multirol aircraft.
In game it keeps having a powerful air to ground loadout, far better than the one on the f16a.
Not for its BR, no. In War Thunder it is purely a fighter.
The word Implement means to add something to the game.What are you on about 530D ???
I disagree totally the BGL-1000 is the only usable ordinance. The as30 are wayy too weak and slow and are laser guided unlike the AGM-65 from the F16
You need to stop to just want to purely disagree, over a few messages i accepted some of your facts but you literally did nothing but argue and disagree overall. You seem to force that situation tbh to just impose your way of thinking on others.
The as 30 are strong, untli the ir variants of the pgm they literally were the best missile on the french tt
Have you ever used agm 65b? You can easily outrange most spaag, aside from the pantsir, with the nord, with the agm 65 you need to be under 6 km to get a track.
The AS30 can be intercepted easily by pantsir so idk what you are saying but not at all, plus you can only use 1 at a time unlike AGM65.
And M4K do not have PGM so you can only hit 1 target at a time not 2 or more like the F16 that get GNSS and IR self guided.
and the nord what are you talking about the AA20-Nord ??? The M4K does not have that .
So does any ordicance… things like the maverics, the pgm and hammer are all arguably easier to intercept as they are smaller
Never said it had.
I said in the french tt.
The f16 a gets agm 65b which are tv guided, and non of the maverics gets GNSS.
AS30, AS20, AA20, ALL ARE NORD… all missiles made by nord also have the name nord in them, the as30 in specific is also called Nord 5401
