Like i said READ look up in the thread smbdy talked abt the belgian F16 that is in the game for CAS (because of the lack of AAM especially fox1’s, also notice the presence of the AAM at the center of the modifications not on the right part like almost all Fighters.
It’s incredible how you can just not read.
Did i say it has ? no i just said it is not unique.
Did i say BR was higher than gripen No, other planes NO, i am just expressing myself that is all.
maybe read carefully you won’t misinterpret
Also when you mentionned F16 at 13.0 you did not mention any plane specifically you just said F16, there is many variants and yes some like this one doesn’t have, is it the topic? no.
“Again, i clearely state that the adf did had fox 1 while the belgian f16a which”
No it wasn’t clear to me
If you can’t comprehend that i am sorry for you.
Why being so mean in the way to say it, maybe you just have luck or you are playing very defensive .
You are arguing though, you’re not arguing the points others are bringing up to you.
Why being so mean in the way to say it, maybe you just have luck or you are playing very defensive .
Not sure how responding politely to someone accusing me of being inexperienced is being “mean” to you. Somehow the person making that claim to me in the first place doesn’t strike you as mean or odd, maybe that’s because they’re arguing on your side?
See the difference?
The way something is said, depending on a player’s level or experience, can be perceived as mean or condescending
Also i did argue other points that were bringed up, i didn’t changed subject or straight up disagreed with them. idk what you are talking about
Wait, when is it getting more cms?
Was a bug report accepted?
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/ZQlD45AC7RW1
I think this is what he is refering to more like a year since it got accepted,
My point is you’re latching on to my reply to someone being condescending to me, somehow trying to put a negative spin on it.
You haven’t replied to my points either though, right now you’re just vaguely pointing to something you may have said in the thread as the ultimate answer. If you have one, do post it here. I’ve read the thread and nothing you’ve said even remotely addresses my points. Nor those of Alvis tbh, while we’re here.
Okay then i will answer your points as i previously did:
What can i argue, despise the fact that i disagree, yes at 13.0 evry planes suffers tho i can admit that.
Yes and no, yes it fills a niche role (extreme dogfighting capabilities) , but when it comes to Fox3 i disagree totally, the maps and trees have bugged hitboxes and with the wingspan of the M4K it makes it very hard to dodge between the trees and the missiles.
When it comes to ground hugging 30% of the time it isn’t enough, the missile will detonate in the ground and kill you with shrapnel, when that doesn’t kill you instantly it will damage the plane, the M4k model is among the weakest model at 13.0 with IMMENSE control zones that will make you unable to do anything.
About Magic2 like i said previously it is an okay missile for 13.0 but is not incredible and with the lack of HMD you got to really get into it to launch them correctly and doing that while dodging fox3 and huging the ground with that immense wingspan is hard.
It is meant to but fox3 forces it to be flown below 50m (even 30m to be safe) and even then you aren’t safe so it really suffers in my perspective.
I agree it is not a noob machine like the F15-E or F-14 that requires 0 skill of course it is difficult but i find that it is too difficult and lacks in several places.
I’ve done this both with the Su-27 and Mirage 4000, and most of the time you dodge the missiles just fine, no splash damage gets you.
Again, the Mirage 4000 has the benefit of carrying a lot of missiles while being a rather agile plane, especially when it comes to rebuilding speed at low fuel.
Also, HMD is by no means a must-have at 13.0, there are even 13.7 planes get do the job just fine without it.
50m is too high, 30m is still rather high. When it comes to actually dodging, you need to be lower.
Haven’t played them, but reluctant to accept your take of them being a “noob machine requiring 0 skill”.
Points you haven’t addressed:
- The strength of top tier IR missiles in not being dodgeable by groundhugging.
- Mirage’s uniquity in having a large missile loadout and great ballistic performance, being able to go right (aka into the fray) and let off a bunch of missiles at people whose first instinct is to drop the altitude — which, again, doesn’t help. This is how Mirage 4000 fits into the meta.
- Alvis’ points about the shortcomings of other 13.0 planes that may also not have fox 3s despite going up against them frequently.
This is the ultimate answer for playing the M4K. I don’t think you’re acknowledging it either.
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You got that the wrong way around. You’re the one claiming it doesn’t work as frequently. Groundhugging is pretty much the base technique used or abused to the point that people are criticising it as too primitive and unrewarding.
You did claim that I was inexperienced or not noticing it, I asked you if it could be the other way around, and you got offended at that.
Now you’re trying to paint yourself to be the victim here.
Your experience isn’t an argument i don’t get why you say this .
Like the F15 and others.
Wich plane at 13.7 don’t use HMD, HMD is incredible with fox2 because you can actually move the bore, it really is essential if you don’t have it in 1v1 with a good dogfighter that has it you will lose at medium distance ofc not at gun range.
On almost all maps you can’t be higher than 30M because of like i said the WINGSPAN and the HITBOXES.
You just fly to the stratosphere lock an ennemy and fire, switch target and fire again, it is that simple to get kills with them.
You have not mentionned that so how can i adress it ???
And when a good player with a lot of chaff and flares gets locked your missile will not track well and by groundhugging the missile will hit the ground or a mountain if you know what you do.
It literally doesn’t have you played recently, most people climb to 10k meters, those left get killed by allied with better planes such as EF-2000 or SU27SM that has BVR capabilites.
Some planes have fox3 but have ofc lacks at 13.0 it is entirely normal, just the AIM120 at 13.0 is incredibly strong and if you have a single second of focus on another plane you will not end well.
The main problem is the sheer volume of fox3 carriers in M4K games, they can just go defensive and you won’t be abble to do anything to them if they play well and their team will HUNT you because you are easier to kill due to the lack of FOX3 and Mid range SARH.
I did if you read:
Dogfighting is close range idk what you didn’t understand.
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I gave a third option, you rejected it probably because ego. I stand by what I said.
Then neither is yours, so where is this conversation going?
Precisely. Except that instead of getting the R-73s, SARH like the Su-27, it has to use Magic 2s, IR. It’s almost like they’re identically limited and challenging you to adapt.
Belgian F-16AM.
Well, there you have it then. You obviously need to choose your path well. If you’re going to try to stay under 30m over ridges and clusters, you won’t really get far. You’ve got to know your terrain and stick to patches that can let you drop low if you need it.
Funny how the Mirage 4000 and the Belgian 13.0 F-16 teach you exactly how to beat that, since you have no tools to engage people from afar. You’ll think this is a flex but I think if you’d actually learnt to play those two, you’d see this where I’m coming from.
Okay, and that point addresses his… how exactly?
He’s telling you that the M4K is about closing the gap. Your reply is “dogfighting is close range”. Yeah, that’s what he’s saying.
That’s the unique part about the Mirage 4K, the Belgian F-16 at 13.0, perhaps a couple of other fighters like this in other trees.
There is a single f16 at 13.0 that is the belgian one… i already specified with just that…
Says how? No one bring its CAS capabilites until you did, and the only mention of it was about the lack of missiles at 13.0 which has nothing to do with cas.
The begian f16a is not in the game for cas, it literally is and was worse than the french options in this br at that…
At this point youre either making things up or you are just day dreaming.
Throwing stones at a glass house here. You’re being real petty and at this point just trying to derail this.
Engage people’s points instead of attacking or presuming things about their background to prop yourself up.
Literally all I said was that you are lucky to avoid such issues?
Like i said it wasn’t clear and i already said, i tought it was the 12.7
The plane was introduced to serve as CAS and not at as CAP or with AA capabilities:
Here is the japanese F16 with missile to the right like fighters:
Here is the F16 (belgian) at 13.0 like CAS planes :
and here the A10-C an attack aircraft:
As you can see the disposition of AA missiles is the same between a CAS (A10-C) and the belgian F16 so that is why i said it is made for CAS and implemented in that intent.
I am not just logic.
Here’s my take on the main topic:
M4K is not exceptional at 13.0, it also shouldn’t go to 12.7 because compression is ALWAYS a bad thing and should NEVER be advocated for.
Decompress the BRs.
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