Mirage 2000 Thread : Variants, performance, characteristics and sources

[TyphoonCro]

Ok, this is very interesting
This could mean that once medium range ARH missiles are added, we may see TWS actually track multiple targets.

[Celestia]

So the 2000C-S5 is going to 12.0
But the Event 2000C-S4 is staying at 11.7?

[Mytho-GR1]

@Celestia

But the Event 2000C-S4 is staying at 11.7?

isn’t the only difference that it has less CMs

[oom1992]

@DirectSupport

I should have clarified, yes, that is the case. I was just pointing out what each variant gets over the previous variants and that there’s enough differences between R1 and R2 to justify addition of R2.

Mirage 2000D-R2 adds:
GPS Paveway namely GBU-49
Damocles
MAWS

Mirage 2000D-RMV has all the above and also adds:
Talios targeting pod
MICA IR
CC-422 gunpod
Scorpion HMSD

R2 could be a nice decent 11.7-12.0+ CAS option while RMV would be a good 12.7-13.0+ option in the future.

@Hannut59267

Given what you listed, I would not be surprised to see Gaijin skipping the R2 to directly add the RMV, because there is not that much of a difference bewteen them for the ground pounding area, there is just a new targeting pod.
The major differences between theses two are found in the air to air department, where the RMV would be better at defending itself than the R2, with the MICA IR, the CC-422 gunpod (that is smaller and lighter than the one we have now, so it’s a better choice if we want it as a “just in case” weapon or if we want to not hurt too much the flight performance) and a HMS, things that would be needed to help it staying relevant at 12.0.

Don’t forget that this aircraft have to be played in ARB before being able to use it in GRB, so if the BR is raised from 11.3 to 12.0 without anything different from the R1 in the air to air department, it will just be a worse experience in ARB.

It would also be a good platform to introduce the MICA IR first, because it should not be able to use it at his full potential, i’m thinking about the datalink (because of the fact that the 2000D should have the Antilope 5 radar), and can carry only two of them.

Because of theses factor i do think that it is likely that the R2 will be skipped in favor of the RMV. It fit better because the higher BR it will get would be justified not only by the better ground pounding capabilities but also by the better air to air weaponry : there is a better balance between theses two capabilities in the RMV than the R2.

I waiting new Mirage 2000D (11.7 or 12.0 BR) with Damocles targeting pod, drag hardpoint and GPS/INS guidance munitions this year

Mirage 2000D RMV would be 12.7 ~ 13.0 BR, very good infrared Air-to-Air Missile & dogfight tactic, modern helmet mounted display, great modern targeting pod, GPS/INS guidance munitions and stand off long-range Air-to-Surface

[vizender]

@oom1992

GPS/INS guidance munitions

My question is, how would you see the arrival of GPS guidance in the game ? Aren’t they supposed to be preprogrammed ammunitions without the ability to track moving targets, making them only useful at targeting bases ?

[DirectSupport]

Some are GPS guidance only. Some like the GBU-49 is GPS and Laser, so you can decide to use GPS to preprogram the munition to travel to a specific location and hit that specific spot, or in the last few seconds you can decide to laser the target if they’re moving, so as to track the laser.

We’ve already seen how GPS guidance only bombs work, they once added JDAM into the game on the EJ Kai on dev server before removing it since it did not use it IRL:

JDAM Guided Bombs Finally in War Thunder

[POLYDEUCES]

@Cpt_Bel_V

even F-4C would beat it on deck

Not in this world.

@Cpt_Bel_V

9C (18g- mach2.5) and R3R (10g-mach 1.7) are close-range but the fact they’re close range makes them able to be sent in head-on when no one expect you to fire a missile at such range.

R-3R on MiG-21S does better in that situation.

[Cpt_Bel_V]

@POLYDEUCES

Not in this world.

Statcard wise: F-4C turn in 26seconds while Mirage F.1C turn in 27 seconds
both stats considering a slick aircraft and with full modification.

@POLYDEUCES

R-3R on MiG-21S does better in that situation.

Both 9C / R3R are equally useful in that situation tbh;

[DirectSupport]

@Cpt_Bel_V

Statcard wise: F-4C turn in 26seconds while Mirage F.1C turn in 27 seconds
both stats considering a slick aircraft and with full modification.

Statcard is wrong. @RideR2 did a sustained rate test on most aircrafts in-game.

Here’s his spreadsheet: Sustained turn rate tests - War Thunder - Google Spreadsheets

As you can see here Mirage F1C has a better sustained rate compared to F-4C. The Mirage F1 is similar to F-4E in sustained but better at high speeds.

[BeautifulTai_wan]

Mirage F1 really should’ve been added back when the F-4E was top dog. Inferior radar missiles for better close-in performance with Magic I.

[DirectSupport]

So I guess MICA EM is going to come with the rest of the other fox 3 missiles once they’re added.

“But we’d also love to give this cutting-edge weapon (fox 3s) to all nations at once to prevent one of them from becoming too OP.”

Video: 12:35 timestamp

JAS39 Gripen, the Viking Heir

[Tr0lski]

SIKE, active skyflash for france

[Kishin_SR6]

Impossible other Fox3s would be OP compared to it by all means.

[Mytho-GR1]

Not necessarily skyflashs active i dont was that much worse then early AMRAAMS

[Kishin_SR6]

Like if you want honest estimations based on what has been said by devs : We know PL12 is probably the missile chosed for China Fox3s since the article on J8F. Gripen C is known to be coming to Sweden and can carry AIM120-C. We know PL12 is basically a copy of early/mid series AIM120C. Now when we know the planes that are in game that can go Fox3 at TT for all nations : US : F16C/(F15); USSR: Mig 29 SMT and SU27; Ger : TBD but probably F4F-ICE with AIM 120-C similar to AIM9M Gripen case; UK : Gripen C; JP : F15J/(Viper Zero who has been confirmed to be in plans last year)CN : J8F, J11; It : AV8B+; Fr : Mirage 2000-5F/Mirage 4000(Low prob); Sw : Gripen C(Confirmed); Is : F15, F16D(not sure + high proba of F16I early in the year).
So for the Missiles we’d have :
US,Ita,Is,Ger,UK,Sw : AIM 120-C(1 to 5)
CN : PL 12
USSR : R77/R27EA(Low prob)
FR : MICA EM
IS : Eventually Derby if they get unique weapon
Most balanced list there can be for the moment with infos we got.

[themadseventeen]

I don’t think the SU-27 in game can carry ARH missiles, at least not the R-77 and I am not sure about the R-27EA

[DirectSupport]

@SNITDES

UK : Gripen C;

Likely that they might just add another plane just for fox 3, and not add it to Gripen C for UK? Idk.

@SNITDES

IS : Eventually Derby if they get unique weapon

I don’t want to misquote the tech mod, but from what I understand, the likelihood of Israel getting Derby missiles is very low, and likely to just get AIM-120. It’s not even used in Israeli service.

[Kishin_SR6]

For UK i was close to include Tornado ADV with Radar stage 3 or a GR7 variant if there exist one that can carry ARH

[Mytho-GR1]

None of the British harrier 2s used AMRAAMS only our sea harrier did which is a harrier 1 airframe

[Michael-IR]

I guess the starting point will be AIM-120C-5 with I think around 105km range? It would allow for PL-12, R-77-1 and MICA.

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Also just to clarify F-4F ICE could only use AIM-120A/B, Barak II never used AIM-120, current F-15A can’t use AIM-120 (F-15J should be able to use them).

What I suspect is addition of AIM-120B to 3rd gen AMRAAM carriers and addition of AIM-120C5 to 4th gen AMRAAM carriers to create that BR separation between them.

• For example F-4F ICE with AIM-120B fighting AV-8B+, Tornado F.3 FSP, MiG-21-93, Sea Harrier FA.2, J-8F, JA37Di, Mirage F1EM VI and Kfir C.10, Cheetah C. All armed with AIM-120B level of missiles (apart from J-8F with 2 PL-12 and Mirage F1 with 2 MICA-EM).

• In the same time F-16C Block 50, JAS39C, Mirage 2000-5F, F-16A MLU late, Italian F-16A ADF late, MiG-29SMT, F-15J late, F/A-18C (UK/CAN).

Of course AIM-120C1 or even C5 could be added to Harriers for balance reasons. Also I added “late” designations but we don’t know if Gaijin simply won’t update the current models of these jets (I doubt they will).

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Missiles with comparable performance (based on my knowledge and with taking into account WT simplification):

• AIM-120A, AIM-120B, AIM-120C1, R-77, Derby

• AIM-120C-5, R-77-1, PL-12, MICA-EM, AAM-4