Mig21SMT vs F4E II(and similar planes like japan F4EJ)

I would have to see it. You’re saying that if both planes rate at 404 knots that the f4E wins. What is the degrees/second advantage. Is it even enough to make a difference?

The mig bleeds speed but at 7 - 8 g/ 10alpha it holds speed well.

I only have experience with the MiG-21MF and the F-4C and F-4F.

F-4 has better radar hands down, but it’s still a non-PD set. You may get low altitude radar lock but only at very short distances. MiG-21 might as well not have radar, I keep it off at all times.

Better RWR, F-4 wins again, though the one in the MiG-21 is useful enough.

Better missiles, I think R-60s are slightly better than AIM-9Js. AIM-7Es are way better than R-3R but still very much unreliable. I wouldn’t say the F-4 is that superior

The F-4 is slightly superior all things considered. If I had to guess why they’re the same BR, it’s a combination of BR compression and the fact that MiG-21 is easier to use in a dogfight for the average player. People here are saying the Phantom wins in a rate fight but I don’t think the average Joe knows what that even means.

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i mean the way I’d win in the mig-21 most of the time, is to super hard pull first turn, deploy landing flaps, force the f-4e to turn hard to avoid my nose, and initiate a low speed flight that the mig-21 usually wins. Ig, if the f-4e manages to avoid the nose that first, second or third turn, and retains enough energy, he could then rate the mig-21 to death. But I’ve never had that happen to me in a mig-21 in a sim match

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There’s no logical reason for them to share the same BR other than a strategy by Gaijin to please US mains. The F4E is so superior in all regards to the MF or SMT that it’s not even funny.

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9Js have more range than old R60, and the E2 sparrows are actuality amazing at short ranges, they pull and accelerate hard right off the rail and are more reliable than 7F or 7M in my experience.

Ironic as heck

F-4E has AIM-7E2s which are extremely reliable so long as you have a radar lock. They will even ignore chaff in a lot of instances.

I’ve seen him play plenty of fa18 in sim in the matches i’ve played against or with him

What does that have to do with anything?

because idk why you’re saying its ironic for him to say he has no hours in Sim when he def does

Yeah, believe it or not, not what I was saying. Don’t feel like explaining such a simple thing either.

ah i see now lmao

Look I’m suffering, I was wrong Normandy. The Mig21 is sooooooo inferior. Even when it is stock. https://youtu.be/1W5T2apUvo4?si=-sr1ezZoz0vFOT0-

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Look, look Normandy I shot down the J7D. The one that you said is much better than the mig 21MF. https://youtu.be/bfbZo4mLpZ0?si=w9QSTiE3_EFCw0xg

and i shot down a mig25 with a falcon, does that mean that the mirage 3s is better than mig25? cmon man dont be funny like that

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But of course it has to mean that. And if someone somehow manages to down a MiG-21 MF(or SMT) while flying J7D or F-4E: that clearly does not prove the opposite being true.

Also: T-2 and F-111A are criminally over tiered and need to be moved to lower BR…like 4.0 or 3.7 since they are clearly worse than Fw-190F

Totally clear proof
more proof
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mig25 to 10.3 when

Does anyone know if the new IFF filter works in sim for the F4EJ and II. It should be possible to remove friendlies from showing up on the radar now right?

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