That’s exactly the question, it’s not a claim. I want to figure it out because I’m new to simulator combat. I want to find out why these two aircraft have the same combat rating in simulation battles(10.7), although the phantom is better in everything than the Mig, except for flight characteristics. Better radar, much better RWR, much better missiles. And I think this should be a huge advantage in simulation battles.
Sim BRs are not cared about or looked at pretty much at all by gaijin.
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The Phantom is just undertiered, and Gaijin ignores sim. It’s arguably better than the 11.7 J-8B yet it’s an entire BR lower, however I would put both at 11.3.
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As a person with over 700 kills in the j7d and 1300 kills in the f4E. They are balanced. The mig 21 has an all aspect r60, the aim9j is rear aspect and vulnerable to flare. The sparrow aim7E2 is great however the f4E only has a src radar. The radar can not scan down. This means that you seldom get to fire the sparrow headon due to most players flying low. Against common opinions, i find the sparrow only viable in the dogfight. The flight models compliment themselves well. The f4 E has better speed retention above 500 knots. The mig 21 has better AOA/nose authority at all speeds. This means that the mig can always keep it’s nose on you during the fight. The r60 allows for it to always make attacks since it is all aspect.
If had to be honest at 10.7 you end up having to secure gun kills in the phantom. If the dogfight gets tight the sparrow is useless. If the bandit is flaring the aim9j is useless.
Its a very fun br both sides of the fight are very fun. I’m 100% against anyone adjusting the phantom’s or mig 21 br. Just play learn and have fun. If you need help reachout my gamertag on xbox is raymondjm5. I would be glad to make you a killer mig 21 pilot or phantom ace. Just reachout.
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Welcome to sim man. Find a squadron and learn. It’s a lot easier when you reachout.
Only Bis, not SMT or MF
Thanks for the clarification. They are still fun and different planes.
At 10.7, you are going to have to dogfight if you want significant number of kills. The missiles aren’t that leathal. Everything is chaffable/flarable. So have fun and win.
sim will sometimes take into account era for vehicles as well, its pretty realistic for the smt to be flying against the F-4E even if its a bit unbalanced.
Also if you get good at dogfighting at this br then you become even better with the gen 4 planes.
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They are completely inferior to the F-4E.
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What a nice place for everyone to share their opinion.
You say this, because I replied with my own.
From air rb i can imagine the f4E is better. You have 3rd person and more information available. In sim you are in the cockpit with limited visibility, and a useless radar.
Yes, because the MiG-21 isn’t worse in both regards, right? Wait a minute!
I cant imagine in anyway the f4E having an unfair advantage.
It’s not really my problem if you don’t understand game balance or the meta. You cite cockpit visibility and a “bad radar” (far from bad at 10.7) as the reason for why you think F-4E is bad, meanwhile the MiG-21 is worse in both regards.
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I dont understand br?
Maybe? But I said:
You’re the expert.