MiG-29 Sniper (9.12) and F-16A OCU do NOT belong at 12.7 BR - Downtier to 12.0/12.3 for fair matchmaking

MiG-29 Sniper (Italian premium) and F-16A OCU (squadron vehicles in Belgium/France/Thailand trees) are consistently underperforming at 12.7 Air RB/SB. They get steamrolled by true top-tier jets like F-15A, MiG-29G/SMT, F-14B, and even F-16A MLU. These are early MiG-29/F-16 variants lacking the missiles, avionics, and FM to compete—downtier to 12.0 (with F-4S/F-16A) or 12.3 (Mirage 2000C/RF-4E) for balanced lobbies.

MiG-29 Sniper (9.12) - UP at 12.7
• Missiles: R-60M (good HOSAM but no R-73 high-off-boresight). R-27ER/ET overrated—poor vs AIM-7M Sparrow/F-15 notching, flares eat them. No ARH like R-27/AA-10.   
• Performance: Inferior climb/accel to F-15A (better T/W, wings). FM bugs (instability at high AoA). Radar ok but no TWS like later Fulcrums. 
• Stats (Thunderskill Air RB): Low activity but sub-50% WR, KD ~1.0 avg. Top players barely scrape 1.5 KD vs 12.7 meta.  
• Uptier hell: Vs 13.3 (F-16 ADF AIM-120, Eurofighter) = instant death. Even 12.7 uptiers vs stacks = 0-3 tickets.

F-16A OCU (Block 15) - Cannon fodder at 12.7
• Missiles: AIM-9M/Magic II (IRCCM solid) but only 6x, no AIM-120/ARH. AIM-7M Sparrow outdated vs modern SARH/PDS. 
• Performance: Great turner but low speed/climb vs F-14/F-15. 70 flares ok, but RWR lags. No HMD/helmet cueing. 
• Stats (Thunderskill Air RB): BR-listed 12.7-13.7 spread shows inconsistency; avg WR <52%, KD 1.1. Outclassed by MLU/ADF siblings.  
• Meta mismatch: 12.7 now F-15A/R-27ET spam + ARH incoming. OCU shines at 12.0 downtier vs AIM-9L/Super 530D. 

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“F-16A OCU do NOT belong at 12.7 BR”
You’re right, it should be 13.0.
Aside from that, F-15A going down is stupid.

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Is this bait?

The R27ER is UNDENIABLY the best SAHR missile in the game. If youre in the F16A OCU getting “steamrolled” by mig29SMT’s and F14Bs, Its a skill issue.

The F16A OCU should be 13.0 but compression is gonna compress. The MiG29 Sniper is in a weird spot but it should get R73 and R27ER removed for accuracy.

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Data came from AI data through the internet Realms. Guess it’s just not me,eh?

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I disagree. Personally, it’s a change I’ve been waiting for for a long time, it sucks to play that thing against Fox3s. However, I think the fact they’re putting it down while keeping it’s 9Ms is stupid. All the 80s era (12.0-12.7) US fighters should have 9L/7M loadouts IMO. Both to line up with IRL and game balance.

F-15A is probably one of the worst victims of BR compression… I would be OK leaving it at 13.0 if there was a BR lock, (if you recall the one between 9.7/10.0 that was around in 2020, something like that between 13.0/13.3).

Ideally they’d raise the ceiling a bit, have the Fox3 aircraft start at 14.0, with a maximum BR of 15.7 or 16.0 (with what we have right now), along with a BR lock between 13.7/14.0. SARH from a gameplay perspective in my opinion has no business mixing with ARH, the capability disparity is just so great. Only exception being the Phoenix, because it’s a pretty crude ARH. The only SARH that is even worth using against ARH stuff is the R-27ER, and side point,

this quote is just wrong. R-27ER/ET is still viable to use even at TOP TIER.

So, once Fox1 and Fox3 are seperate, the arrangement of the new 13.0-13.7 (all the early 4th gens) should look something like this.

F-15A - 13.7, with AIM9L and AIM-7M, operates best at range with sparrows
Su-27 - 13.7 with R-73 and R-27R/T (NOT ER, ER will still find use as a long range missile on Su-27SM at 14.3), has trouble at range, but dominates WVR with the R-73. As it likely would have in a real cold war gone hot scenario. Give the Su-33 the same treatment.
M4K - 13.7 with Magic 2 and S530D
F-14B - 13.7? With 54C, 7P, and 9L, I struggle a bit where to put the F-14B, and my thinking is split roughly two ways. 1. The AIM-54C could be given a much better seeker head (on par with the 120A), and the aircraft could be put at 14.0 with the 9M as well. 2. The other school of thought says 13.7 in its current state, with the .3 difference over the F-14A coming down to the extra engine power/BOL pods it has. I lean more to the side of 14.0 with the previously mentioned changes.

F/A-18A/C Early - 13.3 with 9L and 7P, the A IMO needs to go up, it’s dominant at 12.3 with a full SARH loadout on a good, albeit slow, platform. Give the A the 7P to settle it nicely into 12.7.
MiG-29A (all nations) - 13.3 with R-73 and R-27R, essentially an Su-27 Lite, smaller missile count but still has SARH and dominant dogfight missiles
M2K CS5 - 13.3 with Magic 2 and S530D, essentially an M4K lite, good dogfighter, good missiles both SARH and IR, much like the MiG-29, but the SARH missiles are slightly better and the IRs are slightly worse.
F-16A OCU - 13.3 with 9L or Magic 2, the Magic 2s are such a good missile, it warrants the F16A OCU to be higher than the other F16As, also take away the 9M.
F-14A - 13.3 with 9L, 7M, and 54A, I think it’s clear Gaijin has no intention of adding an F-14A “Late”, so the F-14A early should just be called the F-14A, and Gaijin should give it the 80s treatment with the 9L and 7M.

F-16A - 13.0 with 9L, only having AIM-9Ls to work with warrants the lowest BR out of all, even though it’s a good dogfighter it just does not have the ability to reach out beyond about 2 miles, which is a pretty big disadvantage when everyone else does.

Place your aircraft of choice wherever you think it should be based on these rankings. Details of BRs are up for debate but this is the rough power gradient I think should exist at the top of the Fox-1 BRs.

Gaijin should just exchange R-27ER to R-73 for Sniper, Hungarian MiG-29 and maybe some other 29s.

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Nah, they ought to do it for All 12.7 Mig-29s.

I suggest you to watch some tutorials before making any BR reduction proposals, because its painfully obvious you dont know what to do with kit youve been given.

lol

“I used a lobotomized search engine with IQ of half-dead squirrell to make my argument”


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Wild takes from a guy who doesnt even play those jets so much
Especially R27, it is only thing what is keeping 12.7 mig alive.
It is water filtered trough a dog without those.
And those wipes sparrows any day

All that data was collect and analyzed through 30 plus website data on how the vehicles perform. Ai generated the data on wha information it gathered from all those sources. Guess it did more homework that we did in a matter of just your personal opinion.

Maybe that’s the problem you’re using a low iq search engine. Lol

F-16A OCU (SQV) should be 13.0 alongside the F-16A in the French TT.

Mig-29 with its R-27ERs are too strong to be below 12.7. Only way it might be able to move down is swapping those for R-27Rs, but it is still a strong aircraft for 12.3.

The answer is decompression, not compression

You have to be ragebaiting to assert AI as a source sincerely.

Rage baiting? I’m just pulling factual data from internet data on these two vehicles in war thunder. So factual data is raw baiting?

AI gets things wrong my dude.

The part where you’re asserting AI is factual, yes. That’s ragebaiting (or worse, you can use your imagination)

Less than low in search engines my dude

Well, your original post does have mutliple things wrong.

Its not a Squadron vehicle for Thailand, they do have a TT F-16A OCU which is 13.7 with AMRAAM

F-16A OCU (SQV) in the French tree does not have any Aim-7Ms. Aim-7M is also perfectly average in terms of SARH performance for this BR

The Mig-29 at 12.7, Even with Arcades +1.3, it cannot see Typhoons. Which are 14.3. So 12.7+1.3 = 14.0

Is total nonsnse, they are the best SARH in-game. Period.

R-27/AA-10 is the R-27ER it already has. If you want it to get the proposed ARH version of the R-27, then it can go up to 13.3/13.7

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No my original post doesn’t meet your narrative. The data is collected by hundreds of thousands of people and stats including thunder skill stats. It’s ok to disagree, but data numbers don’t lie. You may have a fantastic time on how you play, but the majority sees different. That doesn’t make the majority wrong either.