Only the sensitive kind get angry over a discussion. Most mature agree to disagree. So getting angry over majority data out there about these vehicles is silly. Why get mad? Haha maybe try being adult like other have said by disagreeing and moving on.
Nobody is getting upset. What you’re saying now does lead to my ragebaiting theory being correct though with your passive aggressiveness.
You’re definitely ragebaiting/trolling.
Thunderskill iirc, has an incredibly limited pool of sources, which can massively skew numbers
https://statshark.net/ is the better source these days.
Both the F-16A OCU and Mig-29 seem to be doing okay in AAB at the moment. (based upon thread tags)
Better than a few and not that far behind the rest
in ARB, the Mig-29 is doing fine, but the F-16A OCU does appear to be struggling a little, though its correct BR should probably be 13.0 based upon the Netz BR and Belgium F-16A in the TT. (based upon stats quoted in OP)
I also didnt address the thunderkill results, only factual, verifiable information, such as the pressence of AA-10 on the Mig-29 already.
Primary source, submit a bug report :P
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If not then why bring rage into the topic?
I feel like you have a problem with understanding.
Well he does like soggy cerea after all.
Clearly theres something going on.
Well, the only disagreement I have about your ChatGPT is you don’t even know my name for it to know what I like. So it’s just an opinion of many disagreeing what your opinion is,eh?
But its ChatGPT it cannot be wrong, that much you made clear.
in what reality would an F-16 with 9M/Magic IIs be considered fair at 12.0
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I’ve been playing the MiG-29 “sniper” (and the Hungarian tech tree one) and the F-16A OCU almost exclusively over the Christmas/summer holidays. At 12.7 BR, it feels like other aircraft in the same bracket have more viable loadout options than the MiG-29, and even more so compared to the F-16A. I recognize this is based on recent personal experience, and it’s probably amplified by frequent uptiers into the 13.3 “black hole” created by Su-30 premiums.
For example, the F-18C at 12.7 can carry roughly double the total missile count of the MiG-29. While the R-27ER is clearly stronger than the AIM-7 variants, the F-18C often has far more chances to score hits simply because it can take more shots—either with significantly more SARH missiles, or about 1.5x the number of IR missiles. In practice, that gives the F-18C more flexibility and staying power in a match.
The F-16A is a different problem. Its only competitive loadout is IR-only. Yes, they’re IRCCM missiles at 12.7, so if you get within range you have a high chance to kill. But a skilled opponent knows the F-16A is IR-only and can simply stay outside IR range while engaging you with SARH. From my experience, unless I get terrain-heavy maps (mountains) that let me close the gap, I’m constantly kept at arm’s length by SARH aircraft. To defend against SARH I end up notching or multipathing, and both usually force me to fly perpendicular to the threat—meaning I’m not closing distance, I’m just surviving.
I think BR discussions should be framed more directly in terms of “effective combat value,” like:
- is 2× R-27ER comparable to 6× AIM-7P? if yes, then the MiG-29 is broadly comparable to the F-18C and 12.7 is fine.
- is 6× IRCCM comparable to having SARH options without IRCCM? if yes, then the F-16A can be considered comparable to the MiG-29 and F-18C.
That said, I also see the problem with lowering the MiG-29 or F-16A to 12.3 or 12.0. In a full downtier they could face things like MiG-21s (I mostly know the Russian and Italian trees), and I don’t think an F-16A or MiG-29 belongs in lobbies where some aircraft are limited to rear-aspect R-60s.
So while I’d personally benefit from a BR reduction for the MiG-29 and F-16A, I’d rather see aircraft like the F-18C and Su-30 pushed up instead—or, at minimum, see the MiG-29 and F-16A uptiered into them less often. The goal should be improving top-end balance without flattening and ruining rank 7 matchmaking.
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The F-16A OCU only gets messier when compared to the Netz at 12.7 with only Python-3
i’m not claiming to be an expert in the Israeli tree, but i can see how the Netz would struggle in air battles with only Python 3s. it does have strong air to ground options, like six tv guided missiles and napalm, so you can still contribute, grind score, or progress events, and the F-16A doesn’t have any comparable ground ordnance. the tradeoff is that you’re giving up a lot of air combat competitiveness compared to other aircraft at the same br.
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in AAB that might be valid (but I dont play AAB), though in ARB, winning/changing the outcome of matches via that is exceedingly rare, if ever actually happens at that BR. Its almost always on A2A kills.
ASB just gets worse when you consider the Netz is actually a higher BR.
There are some other differences that complicate it, like I think the Netz has more CMs. But overall that entire BR range is a complete and utter mess. The F-15s potentially moving down really isnt helping.
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Yeah, I can imagine AI getting “information” from nonsence topics how bad those jets are, just like tiger tanks takes from those planes and Chatgtp is considering them facts…
And seriously missing that only “good” aim7’s are dogfight versions on close combat and normal 7s’s struggle to keep lock, or even going target what you actually locked on. It is normal those goes rogue on something other flying, and usually a teammate.
But what would players know, when AI is most likely right. (Sarcasm)
This is the reason why AI generated posts are considered useless takes.
And no, F16 with 4 Awesome irrcs missiles and 2 good irccm missiles is not overtiered on 12.7, and should be moved to 13.0, not in 12.0.
Mig 29 on 12.7 got 2 awesome SARH missiles and 4 all aspect flares ( r60’s)
It is funny also how u mention how they struggle on uptiers, and not even thinking what that F16 would do on 11.0 game if it would be moved to 12.0 LOL
Now, stop using AI and start playing those instead before starting nearly tiger tank class ragebaitting topics.
Buddy, that’s the same BR as the Netz, which doesn’t get IRCCM missiles :|
at least tiger tank writes this stuff himself
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bro, JA 37 DI is BR13 and it is pile of shiet.
4 aim 120 2 aim 9l. , therible radar for that BR. RWR is worst in that BR.