MiG-23ML premium is insanely downgraded!

Ahh yes my subsonic plane that can only sustain 4G that carries 4 short range missiles and has an underperforming I band radar…

Also has a 2km long smoke trail
11.3 BR in sim but no one complains

Mach 2 capable MiG-23, can sustain like 6-7G can point decently carries 2 long range missiles that are insanely hard to avoid + 4 more heat seeking missiles and a radar than can look towards the ground with an irst.

No smoke trail 11.3 “OMG ITS SO BAD WHY WOULD YOU PUT IT AT 11.3 ITS SO OVERTIERED”

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Exactly my thinking.

Half of what is at 11.3 is just stupid.

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What drivel lmao the Sea Harrier Frs.1 by far had the best 3rd gen HUD and it’s not even close.

All relevant flight information including a flight path marker, ranging for the missiles via the radar

Radar modes that told you how to steer the aircraft to perform intercepts in complete darkness. Information and symbology was displayed onto the hud to allow for stern and front quarter intercepts.

HUD stadimetric ranging allowing for manual ranging of the gun in air to air combat. The sight could also integrate with the radar and provide radar lead and ranging.

Could track and lead moving ships proving data to the hud for aiming and tossing bombs…

That’s not even half of all its features.

And it did all of that on a bit rate computer that was of a higher count than the F-14 computer in the 70s…

You’re little MiG-23 hud is an etch-a-sketch in comparison

It caters to the lowest common denominator.

MiG-23 players are some of the worst I’ve seen

No one plays the sea harrier except a small few who know how to do well

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I just play the FRS1e, Ive not touched the SQV one in like a year+, ever since it went from 10.7 to 11.3

It can now face the mirage 2k delta lol

But considering all that’s wrong with the sea harrier why would anyone play it.

It’s like giving the F-16 the flight model of the F-4 and saying “looks good to me”

Win rates are decent up it’s br.

While the MiG-23 is doing terribly bc dummies fly it so it goes down in br.

Why would you fly it in Sim in a bracket where you’re uptiered a full BR?

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I don’t typically lol.

Unless I feel like really challenging myself.

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You spelled “punishing myself” wrong there… = )

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Maybe someone like @Smin1080p_WT or @Stona_WT would land 50% discount code for that Mig-23ML? 👀

Nah my honestly overzealous obsession and fascination with the harrier has made me rather good with it.

I can still maintain a positive K/D with it when uptiered in sim.

Just involves using very different tactics.

Helps a lot when mirage 2k pilots are inexperienced and don’t understand that they can not out hover a harrier.

If the devs ever take note of the harrier issues (50% missing lift - 35% missing thrust - VIFF not being modeled) than the jet would be very well fit for 11.3

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MiG-23ML is far from bad but it’s not exactly the best. Recent higher battle rating premium implementations seemed to consider if the plane can engage both air, ground and naval targets, this is obvious since F-2A ADTW as premium implementation to the game to Su-30MK2 recently.

MiG-23ML is the old guard of premium vehicles, and at some point it will underperfom when compared to similar or superior vehicles (i.e. Mirage F1C-200 and F/A-18C Early respectively).

Radar is indeed bad, turn rate is variable, you need to sweep open the wings to improve this aspect, it can sustain a turn or two at best case scenario, is not a turn fighter first of all this is your mistake, expect bugs, use semi-automatic mode for wings sweeping, enable IAS and don’t exceed 1470 km/H and you should be fine, and God forbid soviet planes to have bomb ballistic computers.

You can’t refund premium vehicles or most items in game if it doesn’t fall under not authorized transactions, unintentional or mistaken product and so on, refunds based on “I played the vehicle, it’s bad, I want my money back.” is not applied.

2 years ago. It already happened.

No, it got nerfed to IRL levels, they realised it was too weak and then bumped its FM partially back up again. As far as I am aware, it is still overperforming, but way less than it was before.

But given the fact that most other aircraft they’ll nerf and then move on, there should be no double standards

The flight model has not changed since the nerf.
Source: Datamines and current test flight.

Even an F-111F can beat a Mig-23ML in a dogfight.

Not really that’s an exaggeration

It’s not that bad at all so long as the pilot has an understanding of BFM

@MatrixRupture
F-111F is 16 - 19 degrees per second.
Mig-23ML is 13.6 - 17 degrees per second.

Mig-23ML can never win against an F-111F, let alone the superior F-111C.

I don’t think so and I’ll test when I get home

Slowest speed:


No wing sweep:

Mid speed F-111F:


Slowest speed:

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They seem relatively equal all things considered in this aspect.

This still doesn’t include and vertical maneuvering where the 23 has complete dominance.

This isn’t top tier made up ufo stuff where you just pull and the plane magically does 45 degrees AOA and is fine.