2 years ago. It already happened.
No, it got nerfed to IRL levels, they realised it was too weak and then bumped its FM partially back up again. As far as I am aware, it is still overperforming, but way less than it was before.
But given the fact that most other aircraft they’ll nerf and then move on, there should be no double standards
The flight model has not changed since the nerf.
Source: Datamines and current test flight.
Even an F-111F can beat a Mig-23ML in a dogfight.
Not really that’s an exaggeration
It’s not that bad at all so long as the pilot has an understanding of BFM
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F-111F is 16 - 19 degrees per second.
Mig-23ML is 13.6 - 17 degrees per second.
Mig-23ML can never win against an F-111F, let alone the superior F-111C.
I don’t think so and I’ll test when I get home
They seem relatively equal all things considered in this aspect.
This still doesn’t include and vertical maneuvering where the 23 has complete dominance.
This isn’t top tier made up ufo stuff where you just pull and the plane magically does 45 degrees AOA and is fine.
Most people answering they are not interested in Mig-23. Mostly because they are exactly the oposite players for Mig-23. They not even look on the numbers of the opponent OP Gaijing bring to France to increase their grinding power. That Mirage F-1C-200 is the most unreal fighter in the game. Do you see them complaining about?? nop. Because the complaint was about, they not accepting the superiority of Mig-23ML. Mostly due the bad performance about the earlier versions Mig-23S with R-3S missiles was another way different performance and weapons. Not the case for the improved ML version. the close to 1.0 weight to power ratio is smoked here in War Thunder.
I honestly will not buy any other premium fighter if I don’t see a professional reaction by developers improving the Mig-23ML based on real performance and numbers from real stuff, without they listening what hatters want above everything.
I recently watched a few vids from the “Wings over the Rockies” museum where a ex USAF-pilot who test flew MiG-21 and 23 that the US got their hands on told about his experiences, and it was quite shocking at what technological level those aircraft were. Performance on paper is one thing, performance in the air something else, but that’s of course difficult or impossible to implement/balance in a computer game… = )
Sadly don’t have any links for the vids, but will add if I find them again.
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The only Mig-23s that received aid to their brick-like performance IRL to my knowledge was the MLD.
And the MLD in-game wasn’t nerfed.
Of course USA aggressor squadrons never got to use the 23MLD, and were stuck with MLs.
Even more funny.
The engine for the 23ML in War Thunder is 26 Kilo newton less powerful than the real engine ( downgraded from the original IRL 127.4 KN) on this aircraft. Gaijin brought for us a marginal 101 KN from nowhere… now I understand why the turn ratio are awful.
And the improved version MLD got another slight downgrade of 1 KN. So the performance of MiGs in WT are the result of a dice rolling I guess. See pictures
Do you have the MLD spaded? I don’t think you do bro
This post is also extremely funny. For sim, you radar is fine for the BR and then you have 2 guaranteed kills with the R-24R/T. Then maybe like 30% chance with R-60M at close range.
Also dude why are you trying to gunfight in sim in a MiG-23ML. Just use your missiles and I assure you will get more kills.
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