Meet the Auction!

Gajin cannot be trusted a word they say. Even if they said now, that they don’t plan to put any vehicles there, it means nothing. Two years later, they’ll put first vehicles there and say something like “Yeah, times and plans are changing…”

While the value of 1 GJN is 1 USD/EUR, the actual cost is 1.5 USD/EUR because of this:

" Using a bank card, PayPal, Amazon Pay, Google Pay, AliPay, WeChat or Steam you can top-up the account balance with an amount not exceeding double value of all your purchases for that account within last 12 months (minus any GJN replenishment already made over last 12 months). In case of Steam replenishment, only purchases made at least one month before the replenishment date are counted."

So, in order to get 100 GJN someone had to spend 150 USD/EUR. It’s sort of a customizable bundle…

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Um, your math isn’t mathing. You might be able to make an arguemnt for $1.3 per 1 GJN (15% per sale, so if you buy to resell, the overall market cut is 30% per flip), but not $1.50/GJN.

EDIT: Additional reply from me: Meet the Auction! - #901 by SilentTracker

It’s a game of 2000+ vehicles, so chances are many players do collect at least something. I’ve hardly met any player that just didn’t care. Whether it’s for a collection, simply an interesting vehicle or even connected to a personal story (remember, it’s a game about real, historic vehicles) every player I personally met wanted at least one event vehicle.

And all this time it worked to either spend the time, or if that wasn’t available a fixed sum of money to complete the event and earn a vehicle. Buying with inconsistent market prices becomes only relevant as the third option, after already having missed two different opportunities (earn, buy) to receive the vehicle.

Now, with auctions, it immediately goes towards even more inflated prices than the market, cutting out the stages to earn a vehicle or buy it at a reasonable and fixed price. This is a system that is, from a player perspective, worse than the market itself, which is already only intended as the third “last resort” option for those that missed something.

But the prices aren’t everything that’s just “the market but worse”, since the prices are not only inflated, but you are quite literally competing with other players to pay the highest amount in a given time.


And that’s another issue, competing.

On the market limited supply makes sense, it’s the third option, meant to let players that didn’t care for a vehicle but have earned it give an additional chance to players that for one reason or another missed out. Of course a player is better off playing or GE’ing the event, but by the time the market comes into play, those options ran out.

But with auctions, supply is initially limited. The period where every player is given equal chances is taken away, in favor of a less favorable version of the previous “last ditch” option…


And all of that from Gaijin to “help content creators”, which can be done in countless other ways that bring more benefit to both players and content creators, such as in-game weekly events for camouflages (tasks skippable with GE), or a GE skin store with weekly rotations, or even just a higher number of skins per update box, or multiple boxes per update.

All of these can also give quite a bit of income to Gaijin, so for them to have picked an auction over them still just puts into perspective what prices they must be expecting to see in those auctions…

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The point is that to buy 1 GJN, you have to have spent half that value (1€) on store purchases. This makes it that buying one GJN requires you to pay 1.5 € to Gaijin in total


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I can’t argue with that. Makes sense. It just seems I am among those who don’t collect or fear to miss out a vehicle. From you perspective you are obviously right. The only hope for you is that they actually will not implement auctions for vehicles, which i doubt=)

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No, that only applies to those specific payment options. You can use a credit card without those terms. Brand new accounts (OR accounts that have had a charge back [recalled purchase]) will not see the above listed options, and will only be shown a much shorter list of payment options, like a credit card.

The listed payment options are a “privilege” reserved for accounts that have made store purchases, and have never had a recalled purchase. We can debate the fairness of this system, however, it does not make the math result in $1.50/GJN.

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Cant wait to see R2Y2 behind a paywall.

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yes thats correct, somebody must pay with real cash, but the workers and servers must be payed, you can choose if you need at all cost this special vehicle, plane, ship,decal etc… you can choose if you grind with playing or you pay the modules with GE…its complety your decission how you manage this game, how much time you wanna invest, how much real money you will invest…i know the problem, that somebody can not controll his self…because he is addicted to gambling…but gj is not guilty that you spend your money or time for this game… i can play t35-57 or panzer IV G or fly spitfires for free, i can grind it with no money, i can play it with no money, but if i want special tanks, planes high br etc… i need cash or i trade my event or BP vehicles on market place, its a fair trading…in my case the system works for me…in 4-5 years of playing i had nearly the prem vehicles that i want…

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I already proposed many different systems to sell user skins (which Gaijin states to be their intention) that are as profitable but less predatory.

You haven’t given me one reason why auctions should be chosen over simply selling camos. Sure, the prices may be lower, but they would be sold in higher numbers to make up for that.

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You know when you’ve lost if you made TEC really angry lol

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my reason? we dont need reasons, we need to ingnore or if we like we bid, simple to manage the problem

This is exactly the reason people dislike auctions. They are the only option a player has to get certain content.

Events? - Play, pay or hope someone put it on the market for a good price later

Modules? - Play or pay

Auctions? - Pay up, and you might not get anything because others had more money. And no we won’t refund your GJN to money either


Also this…

…Is just insensitive when this system is designed to work on inherent human fear of missing out to pressure them into making hasty decisions. You might not react that way, but the average 12-14yo player will be very much vulnerable to such marketing and develop harmful habits going forward in life.

And all of that to possibly not even get what he paid for? Then there’s GJN sitting around that can’t be used to pay anything outside of the game.

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“We need to ignore”

This is specifically a test run to get player reactions, and we are on a forum meant to discuss the game, give feedback and help improve it.

It’s not even part of the existing system that “works for you”. For all you know this might devolve into less events, meaning less profit for you while at the same time making it harder and more expensive to get new vehicles you might want.
It is a change that can negatively affect what you like, so this is exactly the time to criticize it.


From a player perspective this is not a positive change at all. Gaijin is already making a good amount of profit and even if they want to increase that they can easily introduce one of many less predatory systems to make money.

Same goes for distributing and selling user made skins, they can also be made available in many less harmful ways.

Many alternative options were discussed by others and me in this topic, so ideally Gaijin would look at them and consider such options.

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As I said they knew this would get a bad reaction it’s like standing on a piece of carpet then the other guy pulls it from under your feet.

If this was a good idea they would of done a pre-warning blog but no straight to day one and tell us it’s an trail run.

The statement about luck don’t even get me started on, if gaijin thinks that a problem then it’s a problem they’ve created themselves.

The only problem here is gaijin wanting to make the market more expensive and how would you do that, drain the money via auction. Which makes everything more expensive.

I can guarantee at the last min of this auction the ghost would come in and bid a ridiculous amount.

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and as for the children who play this game between the ages of 12 and 14, there must be parents who give them the money for it. Parents are responsible for giving children the power and strength not to fall into it. I would never give my child money for a computer game so that they could blow all their pocket money on a fantasy product. That is also the responsibility of the parents. Does a 12 to 14 year old really have to buy premium vehicles? That is the question, especially when you are younger you react much faster and understand things much quicker and they often have no problem shooting other people on the battlefield because they are simply better.they have skill issue because they learn faster…

Yeah, I’m just trying to tell them exactly what is wrong with their auctions, why it is wrong, and give them multiple different options for alternatives. I’ve even given them some limitations that would at least make the auctions somewhat bearable (like never auctioning anything but non-historical cosmetics), though considering past Gaijin promises that


I can see this going three ways from here:

The good ending - They care about the player base and cancel the auction. Maybe they add a different system to add user made camouflages, like weekly rotating events or a camouflage GE shop.

The somewhat bearable, but very concerning ending - They keep the auction, but promise to limit them to cosmetics only, preferably non-historical ones. This one would be fine if it wasn’t for the fact that they have broken so many promises in the past, or relied on technicalities (see their stance on top tier premiums over the years)

The bad ending - They keep auctions as they are, ignoring comments or trying to calm us down with vague, semi-off topic statements like mentioning only cosmetics but never actually denying vehicles. In this case this is a horrible direction and my hope for the game isn’t good. This might be the beginning of the actual end.

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So we should allow the sale of alcohol or cigarettes to children too?

The point is they are easy to influence, and this is a system specifically designed to do that. It might not affect you, but you are not the only player in this game.

Even for your own opinion there’s nothing positive you have to say about auctions, at best you’re indifferent, yet you are arguing against people that say this affects them negatively. Why?

And the game is possibly heading towards a direction where future players can’t “win” the system anymore like you did. Do you want that for other players?

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interesting take he has that the content creators will get the outrage for creating a skin that’s pretty much impossible to get

so in the end gaijin wins an all corners and everyone else just suffers
so this starts to feel like the worst thing war-thunder has ever gotten in the amount of negatives compered to positives

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When I was that age I was more than capable of mowing the lawn for my neighbors and spending that money on whatever gift card Gaijin accepts to buy whatever I want.

Just because you say it’s a parents job to monitor children’s decisions doesn’t meant that’s always possible. Think of a guy selling alcohol just outside school grounds. Parents could just “not give the kids money so they can’t buy it”, but what really should be done is to hold the guy accountable for trying to sell alcohol to kids.


And this here is not about if they need it. People don’t buy what they need, they buy what they want, and especially kids. Now imagine “cool new tank” and even more so “cool new rare tank that none of my friends have”, that is exactly what a 12-14yo would buy.

Now the only thing keeping them from doing that is that they might now afford the price, but here’s the thing with auctions, the price starts low. So they buy 5€, but they are outbid, then it becomes 10, 20, 30, all the way up to the point they run out of money, and chances are they don’t even win the auction.

So they didn’t buy anything, do they get their money back?

Nope, they now have converted all of their money into GJN that are worthless outside of Gaijin distributed stores.

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