just test it, very easy to see how tanks just vanish if you are far enough away and they dont move for a while.
yes you might have the time to farm warbond
shops and market and don’t care about cosmetics but others might not have the time
basically what i tried to say here
or they add vehicles behind the auction
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yes thats why i say let gj make this market for skins, its your decission to buy or not, in my case i will never buy skins on market or bid for that, skins are enough winter, summer, dessert you dont need more, also bagdes or signes or the other litte things we dont need it to play good or bad…
you don’t think the whole thing through to the end
at the beginning it’s just skins, then modules, then whole tanks ships planes and the content creator hardly sees any of it anyway, unlike what gaijin is pocketing
what about the console players and . . apart from that it’s close to gambling and that in a game for 12+
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just because you don’t care or don’t use it. It does not make this system any better
i really would like to make a ww2 analogy but that would definitely get me banned or at least muted
I’m about fifty, so skins, decorators, and stickers don’t interest me. Even by SL. But what about when the vehicles is put up for auction? Or some modifications: engine, guns, etc.? Especially if they cannot be obtained any other way.
A lot of players are rightfully concerned about this. This window of opportunity should not exist.
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Ofc it is, and got introduced not long ago. Did not happen before.
From the War Thunder wiki from 2016:
(Crew skills - WarThunder-Wiki)
To my knowledge that mechanic has always been in the game.
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Every single GJN you earn is not only paid by someone, but also already less value than what was put in.
Each GJN you earn was at least 1.15GJN that someone paid for with real money, if not more depending on how many transactions it went through.
This is not an in-game currency everyone can earn by playing the game, it’s Gaijin’s own company currency that can only either be bought, or “earned” if you create the very skins they sell.
You might not pay for it, but for you to earn it someone had to pay Gaijin either with their work, or more commonly simply money.
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Keen Vision - determines at what distance the player can see an enemy ground vehicle that’s under cover.
UNDER COVER - not in los, now did not render at all even in los.
Pretty sure “under cover” just means the %visibility check (as modified by distance and terrain). You could be out in the open and in LOS before and pass the check (because you were a smol bean) and not render.
What’s changed is as we get out to 4k systems for more and more people, the pop-in renders when the visibility check fails are more obvious to more people.
That under cover also means partially concealed, like only turret above hill and/or behind bushes. Otherwise there would be absolutely no reason to lvl upp the range of the keen vision if it changed the distance a target rendered in when completely behind cover, that would make no sense.
“You are now max level keen vision, so tanks you cannot see are rendered in at a further distance!”
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Now explain it to new players who give up on the game after a week, because of this stupid mechanic they will die to invisibile enemy. I’m leaving out the fact that with such large maps, these values should be quadruple.
I never claimed that i think its a good mechanic, or a bad one, my personal opinion does not matter for the facts and so i will leave it out of the discussion.
Same date of the wiki: (Visibilty in War Thunder - WarThunder-Wiki)
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Confirmation bias. Nothing has changed.
There are already a lot of vehicles which cost money and which only few players have obtained. Most of the players don’t buy anything, except premium, for real money. Just as the few have been buying rare vehicles, the same few would take part in auctions. I understand your logic, it makes sense. But i still don’t see in what exact way it would affect a medium player. If there would only be, for example, 60 players with some real rare (not overpowered, but simply rare) vehicles, I personally wouldn’t care. But if you are among those collectors of some rare and premium vehicles, I may understand your concern.
Gajin cannot be trusted a word they say. Even if they said now, that they don’t plan to put any vehicles there, it means nothing. Two years later, they’ll put first vehicles there and say something like “Yeah, times and plans are changing…”
While the value of 1 GJN is 1 USD/EUR, the actual cost is 1.5 USD/EUR because of this:
" Using a bank card, PayPal, Amazon Pay, Google Pay, AliPay, WeChat or Steam you can top-up the account balance with an amount not exceeding double value of all your purchases for that account within last 12 months (minus any GJN replenishment already made over last 12 months). In case of Steam replenishment, only purchases made at least one month before the replenishment date are counted."
So, in order to get 100 GJN someone had to spend 150 USD/EUR. It’s sort of a customizable bundle…
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Um, your math isn’t mathing. You might be able to make an arguemnt for $1.3 per 1 GJN (15% per sale, so if you buy to resell, the overall market cut is 30% per flip), but not $1.50/GJN.
EDIT: Additional reply from me: Meet the Auction! - #901 by SilentTracker
It’s a game of 2000+ vehicles, so chances are many players do collect at least something. I’ve hardly met any player that just didn’t care. Whether it’s for a collection, simply an interesting vehicle or even connected to a personal story (remember, it’s a game about real, historic vehicles) every player I personally met wanted at least one event vehicle.
And all this time it worked to either spend the time, or if that wasn’t available a fixed sum of money to complete the event and earn a vehicle. Buying with inconsistent market prices becomes only relevant as the third option, after already having missed two different opportunities (earn, buy) to receive the vehicle.
Now, with auctions, it immediately goes towards even more inflated prices than the market, cutting out the stages to earn a vehicle or buy it at a reasonable and fixed price. This is a system that is, from a player perspective, worse than the market itself, which is already only intended as the third “last resort” option for those that missed something.
But the prices aren’t everything that’s just “the market but worse”, since the prices are not only inflated, but you are quite literally competing with other players to pay the highest amount in a given time.
And that’s another issue, competing.
On the market limited supply makes sense, it’s the third option, meant to let players that didn’t care for a vehicle but have earned it give an additional chance to players that for one reason or another missed out. Of course a player is better off playing or GE’ing the event, but by the time the market comes into play, those options ran out.
But with auctions, supply is initially limited. The period where every player is given equal chances is taken away, in favor of a less favorable version of the previous “last ditch” option…
And all of that from Gaijin to “help content creators”, which can be done in countless other ways that bring more benefit to both players and content creators, such as in-game weekly events for camouflages (tasks skippable with GE), or a GE skin store with weekly rotations, or even just a higher number of skins per update box, or multiple boxes per update.
All of these can also give quite a bit of income to Gaijin, so for them to have picked an auction over them still just puts into perspective what prices they must be expecting to see in those auctions…
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The point is that to buy 1 GJN, you have to have spent half that value (1€) on store purchases. This makes it that buying one GJN requires you to pay 1.5 € to Gaijin in total
(Had to remove “$”, because it tries to make this font)