The best option would be a buff to the me262. There are certain factors gaijin can tweak about vehicles ingame. Turn time for example was limited by g-forces on the pilot in ww2 instead. They could simply give the me262 a better turn time. The me262 has a really high fire chance aswell for the engines. They could simply lower it. To make it more tanky
I think you are definitely right… !
For a lot of the planes that are in the game, I feel like their engine thrust and rate of climb is just a number in the game specs, but it’s adjusted for the needs of the game otherwise…
If the Me-262 could meet the Allied jets,
so at most with the Meteror FMk.I (it is not in the game, with this plane the RAF hunted V1 missiles over the English Channel) and I am not sure that he even looked over the European continent…
Meteor FMk.III, is already significantly more modern and faster, so it already started at the end of the war from Holland, etc.
The Americans had a version of the YF-80 A1 in Italy, as a test in combat conditions and reconnaissance, but they were strictly prohibited from engaging in air combat …
And it’s as you say, the Korean spec Shooting Stars are quite different from the late WW2 early models…
I’m playing the first Me-262 A-1 because it’s the most famous, but I don’t know what to think about the others … ?
From what I could gather out of the top of my head and from ingame experience, historically the P-80 should be inferior to the 262 in terms of speed and acceleration while having a comparable climbspeed. The Meteor III on the other hand as far as my experience ingame goes as having it as an opponent has superior acceleration and manouverability but lower topspeed (which in some case doesnt matter as the 262 has slow acceleration and low velocity guns). In short the 262 is lacking in parts where it actually was on par or superior to its counterparts ingame at the same BR.
The only nice 262 which is nice to fly is the Event 262, all the other are basically prone to being overtiered, for reference the 2b is 0,3 BR steps from getting an R-60 shoved up its behind. Simultaneously it faces vietnam era attackers with A2A missiles that outdo it in anything.
In terms of BR I´d set the 1C and 2B at 7.0 max while the 2A and A1 could be at 6.3 and 6.7. Before someone gets a hard on and cries for german bias, the idea of the BR´s is set by Aircraft at these BR´s and their capabilities. Considering that the lowest Beercat is at 5.0 while having superior armament and the P-59 sitting at 5.3 with the 51H at 6.3 and the F4U monster between 5.0 and 6.0 I´d consider it a fair setup (under the premise that the pilots of mentioned planes have more than a vacuum upstairs).
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What can we do to make it downtire, are there any polls community reports etc.?
I have been facing Mig-9s, Mig-15s, F-84s, F-86s, and F-89s with the Me 262 a1 it is not even a contest between the these jets and the Me 262 and if anyone is complaining about the me 262 a1 in 6.7 be used as CAS we already have me 262 A-1/U4 in 6.7
There is the me 262 A-1/U4 in 6.7 with 50mm cannon which is more deadlier than Me 262 A1
No, it did not it saw.50’s, 20’s, and 37 mm more often than it saw 40’s with the 40mm’s being in one of the smallest of numbers. Also No. Historically the only way Me-262’s were destroyed was often or not when they were landing.
So the Meteor F1 maxed out at ~668 km/h compared against ~692 km/h with the F3 - so not a crazy difference when you consider it is still slower than the 262A in either case. Yet the F3 is 7.3.
They may add the F1 as a premium / event vehicle at some point but it’ll probably be 7.0 as it’ll still have a good turn rate. Which I suspect is why they havn’t already - as we’ve already got 6 Meteors within the same BR range.
All things considered the 262 is just fine where it is. You get a better top speed for a slower turn rate, in a jet designed to shoot down allied bombers.
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That cannon jams if you ever fire three rounds in row without at least 30 second interval
Fine at BR where there are no bombers ?.
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There are a lot of jets that are faster… the 262 also can’t maintain its speed easily without downhill slopes due to low engine thrust
And there are WW2 era jets at higher BR that are slower as I pointed out. I don’t see why the 262 is a particularly special case amongst WW2 era jets that would warrant a down tier.
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Because the 262, unlike the jets you listed, is not capable of turning well or accelerating well or any other characteristic to save it.
Right, but again the 262 isn’t alone in being outclassed by certain jets at this BR. Why is the 262 a special case? If anything the argument would be to push up other jets and decompress the BRs. Otherwise you’re just pushing the problem to mid-tier props :D
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Nothing, this is just how the game is, it’s incredibly difficult for vehicles to get downtiered because they just die, people stop playing them and they’re ignored, or a few people play them that keep the stats high enough.
It’s an issue with the game Gaijin refuses to acknowledge, low player count vehicles perform better on average and get overtiered, this happened in 2014 and it happened in 2024.
The A-2a Sturmvogel flies the exact same as the A-1a and Jabo, but it sits at a much friendlier BR of 6.7. Two additional potato launchers make no difference. The A-1a/U1 is much heavier than the other A model 262s, and the supposed main selling point of it was shafted yet again when MK103 HVAP saw its pen drop from the upper estimate to the lower estimate.
All 262A models should be 6.7. If we ever see the A-1b (a C-2b without rocket boosters), that could be 6.3 or even 6.0.
The C models are also horrendously overtiered. Better engines do not change that the airframe itself isn’t suited to Sabre-level speeds.
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Because there were just 4 jets active until VE & V-J day:
- Me 262 & He 162
- Meteor F. 3 and YP-80A
An era ends when the milestone is reached.
From an older thread regarding 262s…:
Summary
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This summary doesn’t help at all.
to quote from it…“The 262 A-1s was far superior compared with the Meteor F.3 and the YP-80 - as the main decisive factor “critical mach number” was higher - what makes a slower aircraft inferior by default.”
The YP-80/P-80 A-1 isn’t in the game as far as i’m aware, and the stats for the Meteor F.3 are known and place it at 7.3, above the 262 A-1.
The only one that stands out is the C-2b which arguably should be down with the rest of the 262’s at 7.0/7.3
This was mainly a topic regarding “WW 2 era”.
The OP and the debate circles around the correct BR of 262s. So it is technically not correct to call post WW 2 stuff as “WW 2 era”.
So your question / statement:
I don’t see why the 262 is a particularly special case amongst WW2 era jets that would warrant a down tier.
is not considering that the 262 solely flew vs props and outperformed the only 2 existing allied jets.
My “summary” was aimed to display the level of hand-holding gaijin provides to non-262 users as either the BR of the 262s are too high - or Cold War era jets (=>09.1945) are too low; that’s all.
The pure fact that the Meteor F.3 (as actual WW 2 plane with a few V-1 kills) was uptiered to 7.3 just shows two factors:
- British pilots have more experience
- The wt meta favors non-irl combat scenarios
There is no need to turnfight a more nimble but slower plane, but in wt players somehow have other opinions - just ask dedicated A6M players…
Arado was active aswell and the me163 if you want to count rocket planes aswell. The Arado was used as bomber and as reconnaissance aircraft
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looking at real life stats doesn’t help in deciding the br. There are many factors which are more important in reality which aren’t in warthunder for example range, maintancence (the reason the me262 had the engines under the wings), reliability. Turn rate wasn’t that important especially for early jets without g-suits.
Additionally some stats are buffed in warthunder like the max g-limit for the wings is always higher in wt iirc
Once you get to aim better with the me 262 A-1/U4 it is a monster in GRB and 3 rounds are good enough to get a kill