Is a disadvantage in dogfights.*
However, not in dogfights it’s an advantage.
Boom & zoom? Advantage.
EJ Kai to this day remains the only aircraft I’ve obtained back-to-back aces for good reason.
Would people rather see it remain at 12.3 with the addition of AAM-3 missiles? The AAM-3 is an incredibly capable missile, so I’m not entirely convinced that would be balanced.
I’m asking this to avoid any bias. I also haven’t heard much about the F-4EJ Kai lately. Hardly anyone has been talking about it, and I haven’t seen any recent videos covering it. I’ve been avoiding playing it myself because of the stock grind. The last gameplay I saw was Gamerino flying it about seven months ago.
Once the F-4J, F-4S (which was the most popular vote in suggestion part 2), FGR.2, and F-4J(UK) receive their new missiles, the F-4EJ Kai would only have a slight advantage thanks to its slightly better radar. There will always be a top dog at every BR.
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I don’t play it anymore because F-18A, F-15A, ~6 - 10 13.0s, and of course the heavy 13.3s are all where they are.
There’s no reason to move the F-4FG1 up with other jets by giving it AIM-9Ls, cause it’ll still end up facing at least F-14s, and then F-16A ADFs, Mig-29SMTs, etc as well.
And there’s no evidence that is compression because evidence requires current compression to be fixed for multiple months so data can be gathered.
I suspect it might be compressed after decompression, but that’s speculation at best.
What’s that? You mean the British ones? If you’re talking about the British ones they’re terrible and need the new missiles.
That proves my point, it’s irrelevant because of better aircraft
Yeah… that’s what it’s called.
The British F-4s are the best overall PDV Phantoms.
Slightly less BVR for better flight model.
Kfir C7, Mig-21 2000, Mirage F1C, and JA37D are all worse than the Phantoms.
And that’s with the JA37D’s radar carrying its dogwater flight model.
The British phantoms are terrible
And I’m aware of those other aircraft
The only 12.0s objectively better than the PDV Phantoms are arguably the Tornados.
Nothing else is better than them.
They can’t be “terrible” if they’re the best of their BR.
Don’t strawman, stuff like the Tornado IDS WTD61 aren’t better than the phantoms.
No one mentioned a 11.3 Tornado.
I’ll just leave my thoughts here, but I generally agree, especially in regards to the drop tanks.
Not without the removal of Aim-9Ls as it is an upgrade over the F-4S and F-4J.
Move the J(UK) down to 11.7.
Give one of the other F-4s Aim-9Ls, and the other SuperTEMPs.
Completely agree, especially since Germany does not need 5 11.0 planes.
Not without an appropriate BR increase as it is a good 12.0 at the moment. Same goes for the F-4J.
The lack of sources for more modern things also kills any attempt to bug report stuff, and leaves stuff purely based on the whim of however gaijin chooses to initially model it or “fix” it.
Not really. The AIM-9L isn’t all that effective anymore, and the aircraft would only have a slight advantage over its rivals, mainly because of its radar. It’s not a particularly common aircraft either. More people would probably start playing it, but the same would likely happen with the other Phantoms as well.
It would be one of the stronger options at its BR, but it definitely wouldn’t be overpowered.
There’s always going to be a top dog at every BR.
The No. 74 Squadron F-4J(UK) entered service when the AIM-9L was the RAF’s standard short-range air to air missile. Giving it AIM-9Ls, along with additional countermeasures, would significantly improve its survivability. Pairing those upgrades with Skyflash SuperTEMPs would also make the aircraft far more competitive.
The FGR.2 would benefit from the same loadout as well. Rather than leaving this premium aircraft to continue struggling, these changes would finally bring it up to the standard players expected. Considering people paid $70 for it, I think these improvements would be more than justified and greatly appreciated.
It would basically come down to, “Well, everyone has them now, so nobody’s really special anymore.”
It’s not like Gaijin is holding them back for balance reasons because they’ve simply forgotten to add them. The F-14A at 12.7 still doesn’t have its AIM-9Ls, for example.
It’ll be fine, and I don’t think it’ll cause any major issues, especially once proper decompression is implemented. It’ll feel a lot like the old top tier again.
Don’t forget the premium Japan Phantom.
I didn’t mention that one because I think it’s perfect. They could probably equip it with slightly better fox 1 missiles.
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It’ll make 11.0/11.3 planes that face them so much worse to play for sure (and overall degrade the quality of that decently balanced BR bracket). It’ll also make powercreep worse by buffing vehicles and not adjusting their BR accordingly.
I mainly think that they should all be differentiated slightly between each other as to not have 2-3 functionally identical aircraft in the same tree and at the same BR. Howerver that is done doesn’t really matter as long as they are not overbuffed.
The phantoms can keep the loadout as is as soon as:
-Su33, F18, F16, Su27, Mig 29, Kfir, J11 Jas sucking each other dicks at another BR above.
I disagree about that due to F-4J(UK)
F-4J(UK) is straight worse than both F-4K/M and F-4J/S, still sharing completely identical BR with F-4J/S.
If decompression comes up (Which everyone knows won’t gonna happen), some change which OP suggest might not be needed; still, F-4J(UK) need loadout improvement. ngl.
Also, why should we say no to improving stock loadout…?
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Then it should get downtier.
If Gaijin not being generous to improve it.
Nobody cares about stock loadout since everybody has to grind this fucking game.
AIM-9Ls are currently in a more powerful state than when they were first introduced.
They are more powerful now than ever before.
AIM-9Ls are a massive upgrade over AIM-9P4s & AIM-9J/Gs.
Nobody cares… because everybody has to grind,
No no no, that is why we need to take care of these.
Improving stock loadout makes it easier for everyone to grind to Spade.
If you imagine that you are forced to fight against Rafale when you are barely holding 2X AIM-9L only when you fly with stock Eurofighter or F-15C/E, then you might understand what I am talking about.
if you want to grind some shit, you need to frag something, enemy planes, bot attacker targets, or ground targets such as pillboxes.
If you get improved stock loadout (Example: 2x AIM-9G & 2x Skyflash instead of 2x AIM-9D for F-4K/M), you can have minimum self-defence against those damn bastards in Rank 8.
Just like how Rank 8/9 jets got.
The problem is Gaijin improved stock loadouts of Rank 8/9 such as Rafale, Mirage 2000 or F/A-18, while they don’t give a damn about Rank 7 jets, which are forced to fight against those. F-4J/K/M, or Mirage F1C and such.
They are essentially need a reasonable stock loadout - this should be a QOL feature and out of the question when people asking for it
However, the problem at hand is the compression and incompetent loadout capabilities → BALANCE should be the main reason.